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Clothing is an extension of identity. Roman clothing was distinctive, and the Roman magistrate who wore Greek clothing in public was subject to ridicule, at least in Republican times. Romans mocked the crude clothing of the northerners (Celts and Germans), while the Greeks mocked the outlandish costumes of the Persians. 16 Slaves would normally be clothed in a distinctive manner, to distinguish them from free persons. Within Jewish society of rabbinic times, at least some rabbis wore distinctive clothing that marked them out as rabbis. 17

But Jews did not wear distinctive Jewish clothing. Second Maccabees reports that Jewish ephebes in Hellenistic Jerusalem wore the petasos, the broad-rimmed Greek hat worn by youths in the gymnasium, but no ancient author refers to a distinctively Jewish hat, or any other item of distinctively Jewish clothing. The archaeological finds of the Bar Kokhba period reveal that the Jews of Palestine in the first and second centuries C.E. wore clothing that was indistinguishable from that of non-Jews. 18 Tertullian, living in Carthage at the end of the second century C.E., writes that Jewish women could be recognized as Jews by the fact that they wore veils in public. I think it likely, or at least plausible, that Jewish women wore veils in public in the eastern Roman empire, but in the eastern Roman empire many women wore veils in public, and Jewish women would hardly have been distinctive for doing what many other women did. Perhaps in Carthage, a western town, the veils of Jewish women made them distinctive, but I know of no other evidence for the easy recognizability of Jews, either male or female, in antiquity. 19 On the contrary, there is much evidence that Jews, whether male or female, were not easily distinguished from gentiles.

Some examples follow. In the romantic and novelistic retelling of Scripture attributed to the Jewish writer Artapanus, the Egyptian king Chenephres “ordered the Jews to be clothed with linen and not to wear woolen clothing. He did this so that once they were so marked, they could be harassed by him.” Without such a publicly visible mark, there was no way to distinguish Jews from the rest of the population. 20 According to the novella known as 3 Maccabees, when Ptolemy Philopator ordered the Jews to be registered and marked as slaves, he wanted to have them branded with an ivy leaf, “the emblem of Dionysus”; here too without such a publicly visible mark there was no way to distinguish Jews from the rest of the population. 21 In the Alexandrian riots in the time of Caligula, the mob arrested Jewish women and brought them to the theater, but by mistake seized many non-Jewish women as well; obviously, Jewish women could not be easily distinguished from non-Jewish. 22 Similarly, the Babylonian Talmud reports that R. Ada b. Ahavah once spotted a woman in the market wearing a krabalta, an outlandish piece of clothing not precisely identifiable but obviously inappropriate for a daughter of Israel. The good rabbi, thinking the woman to be a Jew, tore off her krabalta, but was chagrined to discover that the woman was a gentile (and a member of the royal family). The rabbi was fined four hundred zuz. 23 At the opening of Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, Trypho recognizes Justin immediately as a philosopher (because he is wearing the garb of a philosopher), but Justin has to ask Trypho, “Who are you?” and has to be told, “I am called Trypho and I am a Hebrew of the circumcision.” Without such a statement, Justin would not have known Trypho to be either a Jew or circumcised.

In sum, the silence of the texts indicates that Jews were not distinctive because of their clothing. 24 This silence is striking because ancient Jewish sources describe two distinctively Jewish items of clothing: tzitzit and tefillin. Jesus, the Pharisees, and presumably other pietists in the land of Israel wore tzitzit in public, tasseled fringes affixed to the four corners of one’s garment in accordance with the injunctions of Numbers 15:37-41 and Deuteronomy 22:12. Tzitzit of the period of Bar Kokhba have been discovered in the Judaean desert. The Pharisees and other pietists in the land of Israel also wore tefillin in public, usually called “phylacteries”—small leather containers strapped to the head and arm and containing several excerpts from the Torah, notably the Shema and (in some versions) the Ten Commandments. Tefillin have been discovered at Qumran. 25




Tefillin from Qumran


Modern tefillin
 
According to one rabbinic legend of Babylonian provenance a pious Jew working as a jailer kept his Jewishness secret by wearing black shoes (apparently Babylonian Jews did not wear black shoes) and by not wearing tzitzit. 26 According to another statement Jews ought not to sell to a gentile a garment fringed with tzitzit because, R. Judah explains, the gentile might don the garment, accost an unsuspecting Jew, and kill him. 27 Thus, in rabbinic piety, tzitzit could serve as a marker to distinguish Jew from gentile and, indeed, to hamper intimate relations between Jewish men and gentile women. In the rabbinic imagination tefillin could serve the same function. 29 The Letter of Aristeas mentions both tzitzit and tefillin; Philo and Josephus also mention tefillin. 30 Greek-speaking Jews in the diaspora thus knew of tzitzit and tefillin, but, unlike the rabbis, they never referred to them as markers of Jewish identity.

Why do outsiders not mention either tzitzit or tefillin? We have three possibilities: (1) Jews who, like diaspora Jews, came into contact with outsiders did not wear tzitzit and tefillin in public, and perhaps not at all; (2) Jews did wear tzitzit and tefillin, but outsiders did not find them remarkable; or (3) Jews wore tzitzit and tefillin in an inconspicuous manner so as not to attract the attention of outsiders. I think that the first explanation is by far the most plausible. According to one rabbinic passage, togas and two other specific forms of Roman (Greek?) clothing were exempt from the commandment of tzitzit; romanized Jews—who probably would not have listened to the rabbis anyway—were under no obligation to wear tzitzit. The rabbis also reveal that the ammê ha’aretz—the “people of the land,” who lived outside of rabbinic control and were frequently excoriated by the rabbis for their improper conduct—did not wear either tzitzit or tefillin. 31

To summarize these first two points: Jews were not distinctive either by their looks or by their clothing. Jews of Antioch looked Antiochene, Jews of Alexandria looked Alexandrian, Jews of Ephesus looked Ephesian, and the Jews of Rome looked like just another exotic group from the East.
 
Question: why do Christian men pray with their head uncovered while Jews pary with theirs covered?
Because St. Paul said so. 😃 No, to be serious, the Jewish custom of covering the head with the tallit in prayer seems to have actually developed later, or at least we are uncertain as to whether this custom existed in Jewish tradition before around the 4th century. (One should note that as Goodman had said in the first quote, the original tallit was simply the rectangular cloak men wore as part of their everyday dress as opposed to the special ‘prayer shawl’ we are familiar with today.)
 
Because St. Paul said so. 😃 No, to be serious, the Jewish custom of covering the head with the tallit in prayer seems to have actually developed later, or at least we are uncertain as to whether this custom existed in Jewish tradition before around the 4th century. (One should note that as Goodman had said in the first quote, the original tallit was simply the rectangular cloak men wore as part of their everyday dress as opposed to the special ‘prayer shawl’ we are familiar with today.)
Fascinating! I wondered about this for a long time; thanks for clarifying!

So women in the Western Roman Empire weren’t prone to veiling? I was under the impression that it was a common practice throughout the Empire… I really need to get my history straight X-D
Wasn’t veiling of women a common practice in the greater majority of cultures all across the world?
 
Never been there, but what I can see from pictures is that there are men in Nazareth Village who wear knee-length tunics alongside those who have them lower down the legs or down to the ankles.
Thank you for your answers (and I’m sorry if I’m getting really nitpicky) the reason I ask is that if we only found physical evidence of Jewish clothing that was similar to the Greco-Roman sleeveless tunic, then the long sleeved robe that we usually see on Biblical people (especially in the Nazareth Village) may be inaccurate. Now I know that some of the tunics on the Dura-Europos paintings are long sleeved and ankle-lengthed, though again this may be me nitpicking more than you, I guess I’m just asking you in your opinion weather the costumes at the Nazareth Village and most Bible movies are anachronisms?
 
Thank you for your answers (and I’m sorry if I’m getting really nitpicky) the reason I ask is that if we only found physical evidence of Jewish clothing that was similar to the Greco-Roman sleeveless tunic, then the long sleeved robe that we usually see on Biblical people (especially in the Nazareth Village) may be inaccurate. Now I know that some of the tunics on the Dura-Europos paintings are long sleeved and ankle-lengthed, though again this may be me nitpicking more than you, I guess I’m just asking you in your opinion weather the costumes at the Nazareth Village and most Bible movies are anachronisms?
Let me get back at you with a question first: since when did movies concern themselves with 100 percent ‘historical accuracy’?
 
Let me get back at you with a question first: since when did movies concern themselves with 100 percent ‘historical accuracy’?
I wasn’t saying they were accurate, just using them as an example. For me this has more to do with the Nazareth Village. I’m sorry if I seem annoying, but I just wanted to get your opinion on this.
 
Hey all!
If you are open to a new question…?

Did Rabbis, such as Jesus, wear beads for prayers (or prayer reminders)? I heard a story that their dress had a term of “wings” and under they wore beads. An OT scripture was quoted (something along the lines of) regarding the messiah will protect us under His wings. And the woman with a blood disease who touches Jesus was compared to this prophetic message.

Sorry if I kinda butchered the story:p It was kinda cool, the way it ws told me. But I dont remember exactly how it went. Anyway, I wondered about these beads mentioned in the story

Thanks,
Michael
 
Hey all!
If you are open to a new question…?

Did Rabbis, such as Jesus, wear beads for prayers (or prayer reminders)? I heard a story that their dress had a term of “wings” and under they wore beads. An OT scripture was quoted (something along the lines of) regarding the messiah will protect us under His wings. And the woman with a blood disease who touches Jesus was compared to this prophetic message.

Sorry if I kinda butchered the story:p It was kinda cool, the way it ws told me. But I dont remember exactly how it went. Anyway, I wondered about these beads mentioned in the story

Thanks,
Michael
Sure!

No, AFAIK Jews did not use prayer beads back then - at least, we have no record of them using one, which is quite natural given its association with other religions. (Even today I don’t think Jews officially use prayer beads.) I think you’re talking about the tassels/fringes or tzitzit attached to the four corners of the rectangular cloak (tallit - which would later shrink in size and become the ‘prayer shawl’).

And a great crowd followed him and thronged about him. And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, and who had suffered much under many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was no better but rather grew worse. She had heard the reports about Jesus and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his garment. For she said, “If I touch even his garments, I will be made well.” And immediately the flow of blood dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of her disease. And Jesus, perceiving in himself that power had gone out from him, immediately turned about in the crowd and said, “Who touched my garments?” And his disciples said to him, “You see the crowd pressing around you, and yet you say, ‘Who touched me?’” And he looked around to see who had done it. But the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came in fear and trembling and fell down before him and told him the whole truth. And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease.”

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And behold, a woman who had suffered from a discharge of blood for twelve years came up behind him and touched the fringe of his garment, for she said to herself, “If I only touch his garment, I will be made well.” Jesus turned, and seeing her he said, “Take heart, daughter; your faith has made you well.”

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As Jesus went, the people pressed around him. And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, and though she had spent all her living on physicians, she could not be healed by anyone. She came up behind him and touched the fringe of his garment, and immediately her discharge of blood ceased. And Jesus said, “Who was it that touched me?” When all denied it, Peter said, “Master, the crowds surround you and are pressing in on you!” But Jesus said, “Someone touched me, for I perceive that power has gone out from me.” And when the woman saw that she was not hidden, she came trembling, and falling down before him declared in the presence of all the people why she had touched him, and how she had been immediately healed. And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace.”
 
Sure!

No, AFAIK Jews did not use prayer beads back then - at least, we have no record of them using one, which is quite natural given its association with other religions. (Even today I don’t think Jews officially use prayer beads.) I think you’re talking about the tassels/fringes or tzitzit attached to the four corners of the rectangular cloak (tallit - which would later shrink in size and become the ‘prayer shawl’).”[/INDENT]
Yes, it is the tassels I am refering to. Did they have any relation to their prayer practices? As in reminders or that sort of thing? And the cloak/shawl which blew open when walking was said to have been called “wings”. And it was these things combined with the miracle of the woman that was referenced to one of the books of the prophets comments of “under his wings He heals them” or something like it. But no matter. Like the point of the thread, its just a trivial little thing.

Thanks for the answer, bro
Michael
 
I wasn’t saying they were accurate, just using them as an example. For me this has more to do with the Nazareth Village. I’m sorry if I seem annoying, but I just wanted to get your opinion on this.
Okay, another question. Why did you bring up Nazareth Village?
 
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