The Missing Passover

[BRIT72]

No way. All the Apostles, including Mary Magdalene, rejoiced on the day He rose - which is Easter - and certainly celebrated on that day in a way that they didn’t repeat on the following days! He celebrated with them, on that day. He broke bread with the disciples on the road to Emmaus to reveal and celebrate this great event with them. He ate with the Apostles in the upper room, again, surely, to celebrate with them.

How is celebrating His resurrection at Easter (not that we don’t on other days as well) NOT directing praise and worship to Him - for this miraculous and wonderful event that saves us? Who on earth else do you think we DO direct our praise and worship to on Easter Day if not Him?

As I’ve said, you celebrate the Sabbath. You DO celebrate His death and resurrection, in a special way, on that one particular day of the week. Why? Why distinguish that one day out of the whole week? Because He commanded it? So you accept that we ARE to treat certain days of the year as special, by His command, no? Celebrate and worship in a unique way on those particular days?

So why not the one day of the year which is the anniversary of THE most significant event in human history - Easter? You’ve got a major case of doublethink going on there.

I break bread on a ‘‘special day’’ as the Bible tells us to, but not easter or the 25th December
Yes, of course they celebrated the day Christ rose, they were overjoyed that he had just risen, but where in the Bible does it tell us to make a yearly celebration out of it, it doesn’t.
I rejoice in my Saviour every single day.
At the end of the day, I am not judging people who want to celebrate these day’s, if they are doing it unto the Lord, it’s up to them, but I want to stick to the teachings in my Bible and not what the world tells me I should celebrate.
I don’t celebrate the sabbath, btw, I break bread on the first day of the week, as the Bible teaches.

 

[Reuben_J]

I break bread on a ‘‘special day’’ as the Bible tells us to, but not easter or the 25th December

And what is that “special day” that the Bible tells us?

Yes, of course they celebrated the day Christ rose, they were overjoyed that he had just risen, but where in the Bible does it tell us to make a yearly celebration out of it, it doesn’t.

I too can’t find it so it must be wrong to celebrate it as a memorial on a certain day of the year. I suppose it’s wrong and unChritsian to celebrate one’s anniversary and birthday too.

I rejoice in my Saviour every single day.

Where does it tell us in the Bible that we should rejoice in our Savior every single day?

At the end of the day, I am not judging people who want to celebrate these day’s, if they are doing it unto the Lord, it’s up to them, but I want to stick to the teachings in my Bible and not what the world tells me I should celebrate.

Maybe you should make up your mind since you think they are following what the world tells them.

I don’t celebrate the sabbath, btw, I break bread on the first day of the week, as the Bible teaches.

What is the first day of the week according to the Bible? Please give Biblical references that we should break bread on that day. Thanks.

 

[Reuben_J]

And what is that “special day” that the Bible tells us?

I too can’t find it so is it wrong to celebrate it as a memorial on a certain day of the year? According to your belief, I suppose it’s wrong and unChritsian to celebrate one’s anniversary and birthday too.

Where does it tell us in the Bible that we should rejoice in our Savior every single day?

Maybe you should make up your mind since you think they are following what the world tells them.

What is the first day of the week according to the Bible? Please give Biblical references that we should break bread on that day. Thanks.

 

[LilyM]

I break bread on a ‘‘special day’’ as the Bible tells us to, but not easter or the 25th December
Yes, of course they celebrated the day Christ rose, they were overjoyed that he had just risen, but where in the Bible does it tell us to make a yearly celebration out of it, it doesn’t.

Gracious, the Bible doesn’t tell you to use a car or computer either, doesn’t mention a word about electricity, public transport … there are a heck of a lot of things it doesn’t mention, come to think of it. I assume you won’t be doing any of THOSE things any more then, since the Bible doesn’t tell you to.

At the end of the day, I am not judging people who want to celebrate these day’s

Oh yes you quite clearly are - you make a point of how you celebrate Our Lord every day, as if by celebrating Christmas or Easter it means we in any way ignore Him on other days. As if Our Lord could possibly object - or be anything other than pleased - with us specially celebrating His resurrection on its anniversary each year.

Would you honestly be displeased if your friends decided to celebrate your birthday?

I don’t celebrate the sabbath, btw, I break bread on the first day of the week, as the Bible teaches.

Where does the Bible state that we are no longer to honour the Jewish sabbath? On the contrary, the Apostles including Paul met regularly in the synagogue on the Jewish sabbath. And where is Sunday mentioned? Certainly I see references to ‘the Lord’s Day’ but where does the Bible state that that is Sunday IS the Lord’s Day? Or that it was to be honoured to the exclusion of Saturday?

For that matter where does the Bible even mention the word ‘Bible’? Where does it tell us that we are ONLY permitted to celebrate those days which the Bible commands us to?

 

[BRIT72]

Gracious, the Bible doesn’t tell you to use a car or computer either, doesn’t mention a word about electricity, public transport … there are a heck of a lot of things it doesn’t mention, come to think of it. I assume you won’t be doing any of THOSE things any more then, since the Bible doesn’t tell you to.

Oh yes you quite clearly are - you make a point of how you celebrate Our Lord every day, as if by celebrating Christmas or Easter it means we in any way ignore Him on other days. As if Our Lord could possibly object - or be anything other than pleased - with us specially celebrating His resurrection on its anniversary each year.

Would you honestly be displeased if your friends decided to celebrate your birthday?

Where does the Bible state that we are no longer to honour the Jewish sabbath? On the contrary, the Apostles including Paul met regularly in the synagogue on the Jewish sabbath. And where is Sunday mentioned? Certainly I see references to ‘the Lord’s Day’ but where does the Bible state that that is Sunday IS the Lord’s Day? Or that it was to be honoured to the exclusion of Saturday?

For that matter where does the Bible even mention the word ‘Bible’? Where does it tell us that we are ONLY permitted to celebrate those days which the Bible commands us to?

You are only confusing yourself.
The first day of the week in Sunday, they broke bread on the first day of the week. The sabbath is a saturday, it is the last day of the week, sunday follows saturday, does it not?
I’ve already said that you can celebrate any day you want to and I will not judge you, but I don’t celebrate these day’s and have my reasons for not doing.

’‘Gracious, the Bible doesn’t tell you to use a car or computer either, doesn’t mention a word about electricity, public transport … there are a heck of a lot of things it doesn’t mention, come to think of it. I assume you won’t be doing any of THOSE things any more then, since the Bible doesn’t tell you to.’’ I don’t me mean to be rude, but now your being silly.

The following is a good article on this subject, but it must be noted that I do not agree with all the RCG believe on doctrine.
thercg.org/articles/abcc.html

 

[LilyM]

’‘Gracious, the Bible doesn’t tell you to use a car or computer either, doesn’t mention a word about electricity, public transport … there are a heck of a lot of things it doesn’t mention, come to think of it. I assume you won’t be doing any of THOSE things any more then, since the Bible doesn’t tell you to.’'

I don’t me mean to be rude, but now your being silly.

 

[BRIT72]

BRIT72;5111124:

’‘Gracious, the Bible doesn’t tell you to use a car or computer either, doesn’t mention a word about electricity, public transport … there are a heck of a lot of things it doesn’t mention, come to think of it. I assume you won’t be doing any of THOSE things any more then, since the Bible doesn’t tell you to.’'

Really? You certainly haven’t advanced any more cogent argument against celebrating Easter, Christmas or birthdays than ‘the Bible doesn’t tell us we can’. That’s your STRONGEST argument in fact. And it’s weak in the extreme, as my examples illustrate.

OK, what I see here is three main arguments:

a) the Bible doesn’t tell us we can celebrate birthdays. To which I can only point you to what I said above - scriptural silence doesn’t mean disapproval by any means.

b) the one example of a birthday being celebrated in scripture was Job’s sons, and he and they suffered’.

To which I respond that Job was a RIGHTEOUS man - birthday celebration and all. And was tested BECAUSE God had (justified, as it turned out) faith in his uprightness - not because he was sinful or doing anything remotely wrong in celebrating his birthday or any other aspect of his life.

c) Birthdays come from drumroll the pagan practice of astrology. Scary.

The numbering system we use, not to mention the concept of zero and lots of other useful bits of mathematical knowledge - come from those wicked pagan Indians - they started out by employing these mathematical concepts in astrological calculations, among other things, as well.

Lots of the customs we have at weddings - the bridal veil, the wedding ring, bridesmaids and groomsmen, the custom of the groom carrying the bride over the threshold of the house - come from the pagan Romans. Veils and bridesmaids, and the carrying of the bride, are particularly interesting - they were used to confuse evil spirits who might jinx the bride.

More than that, the early Christians would DELIBERATELY knock down pagan temples and build churches over the ruins. Don’t tell me you disapprove of such a practice, that you’d prefer to leave the temples standing?

Point being we are quite free to take what we like from other cultures and impose our own meanings on them with no harm done. Let the numbers be innocent tools of calculation, let the veil represent the bride’s purity, let the bridesmaids simply be friends who are there to help her on her special day. And let a birthday be an innocent occasion on which to give thanks to God for another year of life.

Nothing wrong with any of it, but something unutterably sad and barren about the soul so scared of offending God in some way that they can’t take pleasure in the simple fact of celebrating - not only the day they were born but the day Jesus rose from the dead!

Look, love, you carry on with your celebrations if you want to and I wont.
Is that alright, or not?
I was just trying to explain why I dont do certain thing’s, I am not condemning you.
This subject is now closed to me, if you want to carry on debating, you’ll have to do it with someone else.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Prodigal Son1,

I really enjoyed reading this material on the Last Supper. Thanks for presenting it.

Of course, most know, the Seder meal was being celebrated during the days of our Lord coming to His hour. I wish to go a little more in-depth with the correlation, as I wish to demonstrate there were changes in the Seder meal and the Last Supper, instituted by our Lord.

The Passover meal was part of the covenant from God and men. It required an active participation. In reading Exodus 12:17, we see this was to be done perpetually, for ever. To reject the Last Supper as the adjustment to, or replacement of, or more specifically a fulfillment of, the covenant command of God, means we should still be celebrating the Passover meal as prescribed by God.

We know from Jeremiah 31:31, a new covenant was prophesied. This prophesy was brought to mind in the New Testament, in a letter from St. Paul to the Hebrews 8:7 – 12.

The prescription of the Passover meal was detailed and clear from the Lord, as written in Exodus 12.

A lamb without blemish was to be slaughtered at twilight, eaten with unleavened bread, the lamb’s blood was to be sprinkled on the doorposts with hyssop, none of the lamb’s bones were to be broken, and this ordinance was to be celebrated perpetually.

The Jewish Passover meal consisted of:

1. The Festival Blessing – Drink from the 1st cup of wine.
2. Passover Narrative and Little Hallel (Psalms 113) – Drink from 2nd cup of wine.
3. Main Meal: roasted lamb, unleavened bread, and bitter herbs and spices – Drink from 3rd cup of wine.
4. Great Hallel (Psalms 114 – 118) and the drinking of the 4th cup of wine, and closed when presiding priest or host says the phrase, “TEL TELESTI” which is interpreted as “It is finished” or “It is consummated”.

Now let’s look at the Lord’s Supper that occurred during the celebration of the Passover, or Seder, meal.

3 of the Gospel authors told us about the Lord’s Supper, as Bro. Christopher pointed out. Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote about it. All 3 say He gave the cup, of the new covenant, to the Apostles and told them to drink, but it does not tell us that Christ, the High Priest, drank of the cup. Matthew 26:29, Mark 14:25 and Luke 22:18, tells us that, during the Passover meal, Christ announced He would not drink fruit of the vine again, until he drank it in the Kingdom of God. After making this announcement, Matthew 26:30 and Mark 14:26 tell us, “Then, after singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.” After singing a hymn, the great Hallel, they went out to the garden, without the High Priest closing the celebration, not only not closing the celebration, but declaring He would not drink fruit of the vine again, until He drank it in the Kingdom of God. He did not say, “It is finished” or “It is consummated”.
In the garden, our Lord prayed to the father to let this cup be passed from Him, if it was the Father’s will. Matthew 22:44 tells us that Christ prayed this 3 times. What cup was Christ praying be passed from Him? I believe it was the 4th cup that closed the Passover meal, which was fulfilled with the Lord’s Supper.

When God made the covenant with Moses, Moses asked who to tell had told him of the covenant, Exodus 3:13 – 14. God told Moses, “I am, who I am.”

When Christ was arrested in the garden, He asked who they were looking for and they replied, “Jesus of Nazareth”. In John 18:5, Jesus told them, “I AM he”. When those arresting Him heard this, they went backward and fell to the ground (John 18:6).

Mark 15:22 – 24 told us that Christ was offered wine drugged with myrrh, but He did not drink it.

John 19:28 – 30 explains that Our Lord, aware that everything was now finished, in order that scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst”. Hearing this, they took a sponge and dipped it in common wine, sour wine, fruit of the vine, and held it up to His mouth with hyssop. After taking the wine, our Lord said, “It is finished”, bowed His head and gave up the spirit.

John 19:33 – 38 told us that our Lord’s legs were not broken, so that scripture might be fulfilled.

Mark 15:33 – 34 tells us the time the Lamb of God death, which was twilight, the same time Moses was instructed to slaughter the sacrificial lamb.

Christ came to fulfill the law, and it was fulfilled with the new covenant. A covenant of God and men, that requires participation of those being set free.

(I copied and pasted this from material I had prepared for a debate I participated in with a Protestant. Christ clearly did not miss the Passover, Christ fulfilled the passover.)

God bless

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Hi, Prodigal Son1,

I really enjoyed reading this material on the Last Supper. Thanks for presenting it.

God bless

Thanks! I was interested in discussing it with the OP, but it appears he overlooked it for some reason…

 

[Ben_Masada]

Wrong, Ben. Matthew and John were Jews and they were the followers of Jesus (whom you and a roman attorney called as the sect of Nazarene). Their writings called the gospel of Matthew and John, and are the foundation of Christianity. If you said a Judaism Jews never wrote things like the gospel of Matthew and John, I agree with you. But, a Jew can write anything he/she wants, especially when they became the follower of Jesus.

Behold! I finally agree with you. But of course that a former Jew can write against Judaism. A golden example we have in Paul, with his primal example of writings against Judaism. The exception is that he was never a follower of Jesus. He was a follower of himself and of his Christ, an entity he conceived in his Hellenistic mind of a former Greek Jew.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Did the Jewish leaders acknowledge Jesus as a Rabbi? Forget the NT. It is written by Jesus followers.

Jesus’ followers were called Nazarenes. And they acknowledged Jesus as a Rabbi. Since I accept 20 percent of the NT as true of Jesus or about him, all those parts where the disciples refer to Jesus as a Rabbi are true. If today other Jews do not acknowledge Jesus as a Rabbi as I do, I don’t blame them. I blame the Church for the atrocities against the Jews in the name of Jesus.

 

[BRIT72]

Behold! I finally agree with you. But of course that a former Jew can write against Judaism. A golden example we have in Paul, with his primal example of writings against Judaism. The exception is that he was never a follower of Jesus. He was a follower of himself and of his Christ, an entity he conceived in his Hellenistic mind of a former Greek Jew.

Paul was a wonderful Christian who suffered greatly for following Christ and he loved his people very much.
’‘Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.’’ Romans 10:1.
If I were even a fraction of the Christian that Paul was.

 

[BRIT72]

Jesus’ followers were called Nazarenes. And they acknowledged Jesus as a Rabbi. Since I accept 20 percent of the NT as true of Jesus or about him, all those parts where the disciples refer to Jesus as a Rabbi are true. If today other Jews do not acknowledge Jesus as a Rabbi as I do, I don’t blame them. I blame the Church for the atrocities against the Jews in the name of Jesus.

Any atrocities against the Jews will be dealt with by God.

And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. Matthew 23:6-8

 

[Ben_Masada]

Oh My. Ben, Looks like you lose again. Don’t surprise me none. ITs just history repeating itself! Oh lighten up Ben, you should know that if you play with fire you are going to get your fingers burned! Hopefully someday you will get your eyes opened to the truth. JESUS CHRIST IS GOD!

Jesus was a Jew. A Jew cannot be God.

 

[Ben_Masada]

He came to fulfill the Law. He did a lot of things Jewish people wouldn’t dare to do, because He was showing them how to live in the New Covenant. Your claim that no Jew would ever do such and such has no basis. Paul was a Pharisee. He claimed Jesus’ divinity.

Paul was never a Pharisee. His word never enjoyed credibility among real Jews. Only Gentiles believed him and perhaps because he would stand against Jews. And of the Jews who believe in him, they are of those who according to Hosea 4:6, are perishing for lack of knowledge.

 

[BRIT72]

Jesus was a Jew. A Jew cannot be God.

Jews have not always existed Ben.
The Lord Jesus is eternal, so he was born on this earth in a body of flesh and blood as a Jew, but God is not a Jew, he is God.

 

[BRIT72]

Paul was never a Pharisee. His word never enjoyed credibility among real Jews. Only Gentiles believed him and perhaps because he would stand against Jews. And of the Jews who believe in him, they are of those who according to Hosea 4:6, are perishing for lack of knowledge.

Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. Phil.3:4-6.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Any atrocities against the Jews will be dealt with by God.

And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. Matthew 23:6-8

In that case, I am sorry for the Church because of the Crusades and the Inquisition. Don’t forget that the fourth Crusade was organized by the Pope Inocense III. Read about the Jewish lives that Crusade took from this world.

 

[BRIT72]

In that case, I am sorry for the Church because of the Crusades and the Inquisition. Don’t forget that the fourth Crusade was organized by the Pope Inocense III. Read about the Jewish lives that Crusade took from this world.

Honey, I’m not a catholic and the Church are all born again believers, not the catholic church.
Any of those people who were in the crusades if they did not repent of their actions in life are awaiting judgment now in hell.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Jews have not always existed Ben.
The Lord Jesus is eternal, so he was born on this earth in a body of flesh and blood as a Jew, but God is not a Jew, he is God.

Mary was Jewish; Jesus was Jewish. A Jew cannot be God.