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on_the_hill
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Long before Paris, long before we were worried about terrorist infiltration, my question had been, “Why here?” My concern isn’t that terrorists might infiltrate the refugees when they come here. My concern is whether or not the U.S. is the best place for them to be.
What can the U.S. provide that they can’t get in Europe? Or in friendly Mid-East countries? Is it really in their best interest to carry them thousands of miles from their homes?
What can the U.S. provide that they can’t get in Europe? Or in friendly Mid-East countries? Is it really in their best interest to carry them thousands of miles from their homes?
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Jeanne_S
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Wonder if anybody has bothered to ask them this question.
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Theo520
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Yes, it’s crazy to ship them half way around the world.
From this distance we should be providing food, medicine and air security while their immediate neighbors provide the space and logistical support.
The goal here should be for the millions to return home after the crisis has passed. When there are literally millions of refugees, accepting a token 10,000 does nothing to remedy the underlying problem.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Rau
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That’s true, though that is not the aim of the procedures for assisting refugees.
Certainly one would think that a country of a few hundred million citizens could accept more than 10,000. The problem remains that very few countries accept refugees, and some that do, do so on a token scale.
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BornInMarch
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Well said.
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CatholicKnight3
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They say they are going to allow “10,000” of them in. Even if you believe that, and only 1% of them are intent on mass murder in the name of their false god, then that is 100 terrorists.
We all saw what 19 of them could accomplish for their goals with out even using a gun. Less than 10 of them just caused mass murder in Paris cause they knew where the places that were gun free zones. Much like the Fort Hood shooter who took advantage of the laws that disarmed our soldiers in certain areas.
To be a fool is NOT Christian. When we have mass numbers taking advantage of compassion in order to carry out their nefarious goals, then precautions are IMPERATIVE.
You think the Vatican allows just anyone in? Go ahead and explain to me why that is. Why is there massive security following the Pope around? Why is there a “Popemobile” that is bullet proof?
That is a microcosm.
Now, imagine that number I have you if it is 1% of 100,000. I am sick and tired of people guilt tripping others to ignore real threats. I refuse to be manipulated in such ways, and shame on anyone guilt tripping others into thinking that if you refuse to allow them in willy nilly that you are committing some “mortal sin.”
I always love how so many love to throw eternal hell fire. Always a heaven hell issue for people.
Until I see the Vatican lay down ALL of its security and just allows an onslaught of Muslims inside, then I am going to follow their example. Until I see no more security following the Pope around…
I still cannot believe how many people guilt trip others and manipulate them in the name of “compassion.” If you think Christ wants us to be fools, then you are very misguided.
We all saw what 19 of them could accomplish for their goals with out even using a gun. Less than 10 of them just caused mass murder in Paris cause they knew where the places that were gun free zones. Much like the Fort Hood shooter who took advantage of the laws that disarmed our soldiers in certain areas.
To be a fool is NOT Christian. When we have mass numbers taking advantage of compassion in order to carry out their nefarious goals, then precautions are IMPERATIVE.
You think the Vatican allows just anyone in? Go ahead and explain to me why that is. Why is there massive security following the Pope around? Why is there a “Popemobile” that is bullet proof?
That is a microcosm.
Now, imagine that number I have you if it is 1% of 100,000. I am sick and tired of people guilt tripping others to ignore real threats. I refuse to be manipulated in such ways, and shame on anyone guilt tripping others into thinking that if you refuse to allow them in willy nilly that you are committing some “mortal sin.”
I always love how so many love to throw eternal hell fire. Always a heaven hell issue for people.
Until I see the Vatican lay down ALL of its security and just allows an onslaught of Muslims inside, then I am going to follow their example. Until I see no more security following the Pope around…
I still cannot believe how many people guilt trip others and manipulate them in the name of “compassion.” If you think Christ wants us to be fools, then you are very misguided.
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CatholicKnight3
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I find it curious how there is this organized “global movement” to have all of these refugees go to Europe ALL at the SAME TIME.
Is that curious to anyone here? How did that happen? No questions? What, did they send out a text message to everyone or something.
Look this up. Saudi Arabia has 100,000 air conditioned tents that could house 3 million people that are currently unused. Look up that story.
You know how many they are allowing in? No one. None. Not one story or protest from the “global community.”
Nothing. Get that? Unused tents, currently unused and nothing is being said about it.
Now, what are your theories about the WORLD getting together and OBVIOUSLY organizing this migration. Unless you think they just happened to all of a sudden have the same idea. How did they ALL have the same plan to INVADE EUROPE?
Not a trojan horse strategy would it be? Well,. what are your theories.
Do you think being manipulated as fools in the name of compassion is what the will of Christ is? I am sick and tired of being guilt tripped. Especially American, who gives more to charity then ALL of the countries in the world combined. Most of which come from private donations etc.
I for one refuse to be taken advantage of in such ways, and will not be a fool.
Is that curious to anyone here? How did that happen? No questions? What, did they send out a text message to everyone or something.
Look this up. Saudi Arabia has 100,000 air conditioned tents that could house 3 million people that are currently unused. Look up that story.
You know how many they are allowing in? No one. None. Not one story or protest from the “global community.”
Nothing. Get that? Unused tents, currently unused and nothing is being said about it.
Now, what are your theories about the WORLD getting together and OBVIOUSLY organizing this migration. Unless you think they just happened to all of a sudden have the same idea. How did they ALL have the same plan to INVADE EUROPE?
Not a trojan horse strategy would it be? Well,. what are your theories.
Do you think being manipulated as fools in the name of compassion is what the will of Christ is? I am sick and tired of being guilt tripped. Especially American, who gives more to charity then ALL of the countries in the world combined. Most of which come from private donations etc.
I for one refuse to be taken advantage of in such ways, and will not be a fool.
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Peter_Plato
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This is where I think it gets interesting. I suspect many of those advocating for being charitable and welcoming also suppose that those “selected” refugees will go “somewhere” in the country and be assimilated into some neighborhood or other in that place.
I do wonder how many of those doing this advocating would be so vocal if that relocation place were in their neighborhood next door to them or in their house? Yes, it is fine in our modern liberal society to be charitable with other people’s time, other people’s resources, other people’s safety, other people’s belongings and other people’s housing, but that really isn’t showing Christian charity now is it?
My personal opinion is that people shouldn’t be advocating for bringing in more refugees unless they are willing for those refugees to be settled right next door to them or in their home. If you honestly would want that, then I say, “Keep advocating.” If you are not so willing, then you ought not have a say on what you are exposing others to by your “charity.”
We do have a suite in our home and we have had people of different cultures and religions living in it in the past. I can only argue sincerely about this issue if I would be willing to open that suite to the “average” refugee from Syria as profiled from the readings I have made to inform myself. At this point, I would not be willing to take the risk for a number of reasons, which is the reason I could not in all due sincerity claim to be exhorting others to “Christian charity,” when I would be prudentially unwilling to do so.
Again, the advocates need to do an honest self-assessment before advocating about what others should do to BE Christian when they themselves won’t be doing what they say others should. There is another word for that.
LeafByNiggle
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No one is insisting or even asking that you open your own home to any refugee if don’t want to. Refugees are not normally housed like that. As for living right next door to you, you have no legal or moral right to say who can living next door to you as long as that person is abiding by all applicable laws. You can’t say “I refuse to have a Catholic live next to me” or “I refuse to have an Australian live next to me” in this country.
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CatholicKnight3
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What are your thoughts on this organized migration by the hundreds of thousands, even millions? Why all of them (most of them) directed to Europe? How did that happen?
Isn’t that a big question that is not being asked? I want you to think about that, the idea of the Trojan Horse strategy.
I want you to also remember what 19 men did with out a gun. The point is that it does not take much. Do you think the Vatican would allow an onslaught of muslims to come in freely? The Vatican is one of the more secured places in the world. The security that follows and surrounds the Pope is unlike anything in the world.
What is the point of all that? Well, it seems to me that IF this country (or any country for that matter) allows say 100,000 refugees in, and 1% of them are indeed jihadists bound and determined to mass killings in the name of their false belief, then that is 1,000. Remember, 19 unarmed men killed 3000 and less than 10 just killed over 100 in Paris.
Does it annoy you in any way when people of the Christian faith guilt trip us into making us think if we do not want this influx of mass migration that we are guilty of some kind of mortal sin? Are we to be manipulated in such ways by using compassion to beat our heads?
I for one am offended by people that would even attempt to guilt trip me with such tactics and use the old “eternal hell” threat. What arrogance. What absolute arrogance.
I am assuming here that the Lord does not want us to be fools and be manipulated in such ways.
BTW, why hasn’t the world community or the mass media (all controlled by the evil one and that is scriptural) come down on Saudi Arabia for not utilitzing their 100,000 air conditioned tents that could house 3 million refugees that are currently empty?
How in the world did this mass migration start? Why to Europe? Why are they condemning America, who gives more to charitable causes than all of the countries in the world combined?
They have flat out stated they will be attacking this country. That is not me being paranoid. It is not just a matter of them being “next door.” It is the notion that they will not be able to “vet” all of them. Considering how many of them have false IDs.
I will not be manipulated, and if that is a mortal sin then add that to my list of things I am guilty of.
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Darryl_Revok
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So, you’re worried about the prospect of Paris-style mass murder? The same style of mass murder that happens practically every other week in the United States?
Fretting over the prospect of mass murder whilst ignoring the routine mass murder that takes place in this country is the height of selectivism.
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CatholicKnight3
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That is a fallacy. You are talking about another issue all together. When the jihadists are saying they are going to attack us, and we have jihadists being caught trying to get here, and we are being manipulated and guilt tripped then it is offensive.
I will not be manipulated period. You want to talk about the circumstances of mass shootings that are NOT related to the jihad? Make another thread talking about those things. This thread is a specific topic about the Syrian refugees and those that would have us believe we are gong to hell if I do not want an influx of them coming in, considering how FEW of them it takes to commit mass murder.
All mass killings are not the same, and it is ridiculous to infer that I am guilty of selectivism if I am addressing the notion that there are islamic extremists that are bound and determined to use our compassion against us in order to carry out their nefarious plans.
Let me know when the Vatican lets its mass security lapse.
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Theo520
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So long as we are providing appropriate aid to the refugee camps, there is nothing to feel guilty about.
Syria’s immediate neighbors have greater influence on the situation and thus a greater responsibility to engage and ensure their neighbor has a stable govt, and the refugees can return to their homes. We can lend aid but our influence from half way around the world is limited.
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Peter_Plato
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I think you are missing the point of what I am saying. The point is one of demonstrating actual charity. The individuals calling for permitting refugees in, in the manner that they currently are, ought to be willing to “walk the walk” and be consistent with the supposed “charity” they are demanding that others show.
If they are unwilling to have the people they are willing to allow into the country living next door to them, then they should not be so willing to open the doors of the country. It is simply a matter of being morally consistent. If people want to demonstrate charity, then they ought to do so; but NOT with other people’s safety, money, time, and belongings. This just takes the meaning of “charity” to its proper orientation.
It isn’t a “refusal” that I am talking about.
**Are you willing to permit the refugees from Syria, screened as they currently are, to live next door to YOU, Leaf?
If not, then you should not be voicing a call to “charity.”
If so, then carry on advocating. **
Let’s just be honest and sincere about what charity ought to involve. That is all I am saying.
Be prepared to BE charitable, if you are going to expect others to BE charitable. Don’t expect of others what you are refusing or unwilling to do yourself. Walk the walk!
LeafByNiggle
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Do you have any evidence of the existence of actual advocates of allowing refugees into this country who at the same time object to having a refugee live next door to them? Or are you trying to get people irritated at the hypocritical attitude of totally hypothetical people? (Yeah, I agree, those imaginary people are despicable!)
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LoganBice
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Letting in thousands of people from a different culture into your county is irresponsible. It can cause utter destruction to a country. Let us also remember that this all wouldn’t be an issue if America didn’t parade around attempting to export democracy to other countries and brewing up sedition and revolutions.
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CatholicKnight3
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Ok, that is a swipe at Bush. After 911 the paradigm shifted in this country in how it was going to deal with any perceived the threats from abroad. In this day and age when a a handful of people can deliver a devastating attack, it was imperative that this country preempted their plans.
Saddam was a tyrant. This country did not begin a war with islam. Islam has been warring with people since 632ad. The west loves to blame past Popes for the crusades. Western education (very protestant influenced in many ways) seem to only talk about the atrocities committed by the crusaders during that time.
Very little is ever talked about the Barbary and absolute blood thirsty murders committed on behalf of Islam to thousands upon thousands of faithful Christians making pilgrimages to the Holy Land during those years.
The crusades were absolutely called for and if not for key victories in France and spain, that whole region would have turned into Muslim territories. Much like how Constantinople became istanbul.
These savages are people that are throw backs to the 7th century. They are ruthless fanatics who feel justified in all of their atrocities since they are convinced they are doing them in the name of their god.
The United States did not start anything with them. Do not buy into that lie.
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LoganBice
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lol my neoconservative indicator is going off. If you actually think we are combating Islam then your just another misled mainline conservative. America doesn’t fight Islam. It attempts to export democracy and keep middle eastern states weak. Syria has nothing to do with Bush, buddy. It has to do with us attempting to set up democracy and people support it because they have been indoctrinated to believe its an absolute good.
Oh and don’t get me wrong I support the Crusades but to compare the peak of Christendom under legitimate Monarchs defending their people, to the modern degenerate invalid democracy run by freemasons and unbelievers is a stretch.
I remember now why I left this site…
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