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SirThomasMore
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Excellent point
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Roman_Catholic_1
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Yes and you admittedly follow a Jesus which is “pretty close” to the Jesus of the Bible. I wonder if there would other Mormons who would stand by you in this? I am going to open a thread to see how many Mormons feel that their faith is “pretty close” to being Biblical.
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zerinus
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So you have decided to turn a blind eye to what I say, and just chant your own mantra regardless. Please yourself. But if you intend to start a thread about my post, you had better be honest about it and quote me exactly, and not misrepresent what I have said; or I will complain to the mods and have it closed down.
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Roman_Catholic_1
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No I read what you wrote. You believe that the Christ you follow is “pretty close” to the Christ of the Bible and then you took the time to justify why that is. I am not using your name in the other thread as it is not about you but, rather, what you wrote. If you want to you can post your response in there.
I am more curious if there will be other Mormons willing to admit that their Christ is not the Christ of the Bible. Pretty close though.I do have this question, the great apostasy is the Mormon (or a Mormon) belief that the Church strayed from Biblical Christianity? Am I incorrect here? If the Mormon Gospel is supposed to be the restoration of Biblical Christianity, why are your beliefs not 100% Biblical? Only “pretty close”? Am I not correct in saying that Mormonism is supposed to be the restoration of Biblical Chrstianity?
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Roman_Catholic_1
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On second thought, after re-reading both of your posts again, I think something was lost in the translation. I can see what you are saying though I don’t agree with it. Hopefully you can agree that this was a poor choice of words though:No I read what you wrote. You believe that the Christ you follow is “pretty close” to the Christ of the Bible and then you took the time to justify why that is. I am not using your name in the other thread as it is not about you but, rather, what you wrote. If you want to you can post your response in there.
I do have this question, the great apostasy is the Mormon (or a Mormon) belief that the Church strayed from Biblical Christianity? Am I incorrect here? If the Mormon Gospel is supposed to be the restoration of Biblical Christianity, why are your beliefs not 100% Biblical? Only “pretty close”? Am I not correct in saying that Mormonism is supposed to be the restoration of Biblical Chrstianity?
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SirThomasMore
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Why the threats?No I read what you wrote. You believe that the Christ you follow is “pretty close” to the Christ of the Bible and then you took the time to justify why that is. I am not using your name in the other thread as it is not about you but, rather, what you wrote. If you want to you can post your response in there.
I do have this question, the great apostasy is the Mormon (or a Mormon) belief that the Church strayed from Biblical Christianity? Am I incorrect here? If the Mormon Gospel is supposed to be the restoration of Biblical Christianity, why are your beliefs not 100% Biblical? Only “pretty close”? Am I not correct in saying that Mormonism is supposed to be the restoration of Biblical Chrstianity?
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Returning_Home
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Thus far, you haven’t answered even one of my posts so before you threaten to play the victim role again, why don’t you take a look and address some of these problems?
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Roman_Catholic_1
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Threats? No I said threads
No but seriously I am lost here. Help me out.
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zerinus
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There are some people here whom I habitually to not reply to, or reply to very rarely; that includes you. Most of what you write simply does not merit a reply.
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SirThomasMore
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Translation: You are right and Zenius knows he has no responses…so, he ignores. Once a Mormon realizes no one buys their weak apologetics, they either put you on ignore or choose not to respond
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RebeccaJ
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Zerinus is looking for golden contacts. If you aren’t one, he doesn’t want to talk to you.
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You are both right, Rebecca and Thomas. He doesn’t seem to like the facts getting in the way of faith without facts or what I call the three Fs: faith and fuzzy feelings.
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Quoting from your own texts, those commissioned, authorized, printed, distributed, and sold by your church don’t merit your time? Are you saying that too many facts ruins a perfectly good pipe dream? The fact that you’re here, on a Catholic forum, is also questionable. You haven’t made any headway to proving us wrong while consistantly losing ground in your own faith’s claims.
If I were wrong on any one point or conclusion, I have no doubt that Thomas and Rebecca, possibly others, would take me to task and correct me. As yet, however, that hasn’t happened because I’m using the common sense and ability to discern that God Almighty gave me.
Honestly, I strive to be objective and weigh each piece of evidence on its own merit, but frankly, I use Mormon standards to evaluate Mormonism’s claims: “…convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by the word of God…” (apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Jan 1853, p 15)
“I say to the whole world, receive the truth, no matter who presents it to you. Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-Day Saints with it, and see if it will stand the test.” (president Brigham Young, May 1873, JOD 16:46)
“If Joseph Smith was a deceiver…then he should be exposed; his claims should be refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false…If his claims and declarations were built upon fraud and deceit, there would appear many errors and contradictions, which would be easy to detect. The doctrines of false teachers will not stand the test when tried by the accepted standards of measurement, the scriptures.” (Doctrines of Salvation, apostle Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:188)
So it seems as though your leaders threw down the gauntlet, challenging us to prove them wrong. I simply picked it up and accepted.
You really have your head in the sand and I’ll be praying for you from now on. May God forgive you.
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A poor attempt to spin the topic, wasn’t it?
It’s all about clearing up the misconceptions and outright lies the church propagates about the Bible and the role of Jesus. The Mormon jesus, for example, is a polygamous product of celestial incest who exists to help members become gods. Further, the Mormon jesus makes mistakes (3 Nephi 20-23) whereas the real Jesus doesn’t.
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Since we know that Smith’s earliest plural marriage was in 1833 to Fanny Alger, we know that the church was practicing polygamy early on. In the 1835 D&C, however, we find the old section 101: “In as much as this church has been reproached with the crime of polygamy: we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband…” (D&C 101:4, 1835 edition, p 251)
Is that “common knowlege?” How about the fact that this section ran in every edition until the 1876 version where section 132 was added and the old 101 quietly removed? Is that also “common knowledge?” Not likely and I’m guessing that even you didn’t know it.
This also means that each and every one of Smith’s additional “wives” was sealed to the prophet while polygamy was being denied. The same goes for Brigham Young’s wives, all sealed to him between 1834 and 1872.
Further, the church continued to practice polygamy after the Manifesto of 1890 and the then-prophet Joseph F. Smith plead guilty to violating his own state’s anti-polygamy laws, having fathered 11 children after the church allegedly renounced the practice.
So if the rules given by your god clearly don’t apply to the prophets, who do they apply to?
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PaulDupre
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Or, more commonly, they say or imply that you are not “worthy” of a reply.
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Obviously, I’m not the only non-Mormon well versed on Mormonism here so I’m pretty sure if I was wrong about something, one of you would certainly let me know. I’ve had to admit that I was wrong about one point or another over the years and even I am still suprised by things at times.
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I don’t know if I would mock those fuzzy feelings. What I have noticed on boards is that former mormons usually mock those fuzzy feelings because they do not know how to explain them when they were members. I have seen it often on exmormon boards. I don’t know if you were a member of the lds church but exmormons on the internet do mock them by equating them with fuzzy feelings.
There is no reason why mormons would not have the pressence of the holy ghost. They in general live christian lives attempting to obey the commandments. If I were the holy ghost, I know that I couldn’t find a better home to dwell in.
Now that is not to say that the holy ghost could not find a catholic ‘temple’ to dwell in. But from what I know and experienced around mormons and their attempt to keep their body holy as a temple, well, I see no reason why the holy ghost would not want to be there.
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Since the fuzzy feelings are based on a false prophet giving false revelations, they’re obviously not coming from God.
And with that, you go on the offensive, so while I can’t speak for anyone but myself, I repeat that just because I have certain feelings in a Catholic church doesn’t mean that I check my brains at the door. 1 Thessalonians very clearly admonishes us not to take anyone’s word for anything: “Prove all things, holding fast to that which is good.”
That’s the difference between you and me; I refuse to take anyone’s word for anything. That’s the reason I’m constantly reading and researching, looking for answers that I may or may not find in my lifetime. But I’ll keep looking, following, to the best of my ability, the will of God. That’s why I’m talking to you now; this is my calling, this is what I’m supposed to do, show Mormons that their way isn’t the Biblical way of God.
Your post is indicative of the fact that Mormonism confuses good works with being in line with what God wants of us. In reality, one can still do good works and be wrong in the eyes of the Almighty. For example, if I’m washed away by a flash flood and saved from certain death by a Muslim, does that make Allah real? Of course not! How about if I’m a life-long alcoholic and my kidneys are shutting down and the only person who’s a match on the national transplant list is an atheist? Does that make him correct? Nope, not there either.
Since good works aren’t the only thing that’s gonna get us into Heaven, you need to be right in Jesus, not Joseph Smith. Since his prophetic record is a perfect 0%, since we can show that the BOM has problems that transcend the scope in which we’re lead to believe it was created, since no Lamanites, Nephites, or Jaredites ever existed anywhere outside of Mormonism, and since we can show that he couldn’t actually translate any ancient languages due to his proven and documented abysmal failure with the Book of Abraham, Joseph Smith has been shown to be a fraud. What you do with those facts is up to you and you’ll have to answer for them, but you’re free to believe the lies if if makes you feel good.
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