The Mormon View of Jesus Christ

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SirThomasMore said:
Wrong yet again. They follow false prophets and false gods…the true Holy Spirit will not exist there, no matter how many good things they do
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Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
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And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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  • Matthew 7:22-23
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PaulDupre:
I hereby, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ Almighty, cast out Thomas Monson!
 
Monson is an ok guy…much better than Hinkley, who I found to be incredibly dishonest, but Monson is not a prophet
 
In another job I had experiences with Monson, as Monson the author. I don’t know him all that well but he definitely is a man with a sense of entitlement. I don’t think this is because he is LDS. I work in the arts/entertainment industry and it is something that comes with the territory. Just, you sort of hope that a religious person who claims to follow Jesus doesn’t have this particular attribute.

I did get the sense that Monson is a natural leader. Which is one thing LDS know how to do; produce good leaders.
 
SirThomasMore said:
Monson is an ok guy…much better than Hinkley, who I found to be incredibly dishonest, but Monson is not a prophet
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Hinckley, in his Larry King interview, was evasive and deceptive about polygamy, outright lying at times. I tend not to bring up polygamy unless I have to make a point because it’s been beaten almost to death. There are a lot more problems with Mormonism than just that.

I’m trying to get our posts back on track because I don’t want to have this thread closed, too, so here’s something I’d like to ask of the LDS members following along.

Since the Nephites had the Old Testament, it would make sense that we’d see numerous references to OT prophets, right? Daniel, Moses, Joshua would all have been familar to them, yet in 3 Nephi 20:23-25, however, we find the Mormon Jesus saying that he’s going to quote Moses (Deut 18:15) when he quotes from Peter’s paraphrase (Acts 3:22-23) of Moses’ words. Since they wouldn’t know who the hell Peter was, it just doesn’t makes sense that his words would be used because they wouldn’t resonate with people who’d never heard of him.

Anyone care to take the opportunity to clear this up for us?
 
Returning_Home said:
Hinckley, in his Larry King interview, was evasive and deceptive about polygamy, outright lying at times. I tend not to bring up polygamy unless I have to make a point because it’s been beaten almost to death. There are a lot more problems with Mormonism than just that.

Hinkley was also very dishonest during the Mark Hoffman Fiasco when Hoffman fooled the LDS god

I’m trying to get our posts back on track because I don’t want to have this thread closed, too, so here’s something I’d like to ask of the LDS members following along.

Since the Nephites had the Old Testament, it would make sense that we’d see numerous references to OT prophets, right? Daniel, Moses, Joshua would all have been familar to them, yet in 3 Nephi 20:23-25, however, we find the Mormon Jesus saying that he’s going to quote Moses (Deut 18:15) when he quotes from Peter’s paraphrase (Acts 3:22-23) of Moses’ words. Since they wouldn’t know who the hell Peter was, it just doesn’t makes sense that his words would be used because they wouldn’t resonate with people who’d never heard of him.

Anyone care to take the opportunity to clear this up for us?
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Good question
 
SirThomasMore said:
go figure
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It goes that if the BOM is the correct book on earth and more men may get to God through it than through any other book (to paraphrase Joseph Smith), how could this mistake be made? Since we know that Smith didn’t use his own words and was only the conduit through which it was translated, that Jesus was restoring the church he established on earth, and that God wouldn’t realistically allow such an error to place, from where does it come and why hasn’t it ever been corrected? It seems as though Jesus doesn’t know the book that he’s the entire focus of, doesn’t it?
 
I particularly like this quote from the most recent gospel principles manual.

Jesus Christ created this world and everything in it. He also created many other worlds. He did so through the power of the priesthood, under the direction of our Heavenly Father.

Definitely a different view of Jesus than the rest of Christianity.
 
twopekinguys said:
I particularly like this quote from the most recent gospel principles manual.

Jesus Christ created this world and everything in it. He also created many other worlds. He did so through the power of the priesthood, under the direction of our Heavenly Father.

Definitely a different view of Jesus than the rest of Christianity.
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This assertion is based on the erroneous belief that ‘Jehovah’ in the Book of Abraham is actually Jesus (though the text doesn’t actually support that).
 
Returning_Home said:
Hinckley, in his Larry King interview, was evasive and deceptive about polygamy, outright lying at times. I tend not to bring up polygamy unless I have to make a point because it’s been beaten almost to death. There are a lot more problems with Mormonism than just that.
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I am still waiting for Pope Benedict to appear on larry king. Can you please ask the vatican when his appearance will be? 🙂

Hinckley was up there in years, into his nineties. When I am in my nineties, I hope that I could do as well handling a spitfire of questions from a larry king type. But I do hope that Pope Benedict will appear on larry king to answer questions about child abuse in the catholic church.

I only say this because I admire the bravery of Hinckley for appearing on such a show. Now I do think that Hinckley was advised not to appear but…he chose to.
 
why_me said:
I am still waiting for Pope Benedict to appear on larry king. Can you please ask the vatican when his appearance will be? 🙂

Red Herring. Irrelevant. Pope Benedict has nothing to do with the fact that Hinkley was not honest on Larry King

Hinckley was up there in years, into his nineties. When I am in my nineties, I hope that I could do as well handling a spitfire of questions from a larry king type.

Anyone who watches Larry mKing knows there are no “spitfire” questions.

But I do hope that Pope Benedict will appear on larry king to answer questions about child abuse in the catholic church.

Red Herring. Hinkley was asked about DOCTRINE and could not be honest. The abuse is about the actions of bad people. Your comment was a double red herring

I only say this because I admire the bravery of Hinckley for appearing on such a show. Now I do think that Hinckley was advised not to appear but…he chose to.
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The Pope did one better. He came to the USA and met with some of the victims, met with reporters, then called a meeting of other Churches…two LDS Apostles ran to sit at his feet and listen to him.
 
I consider it imperative people reflect on the Christology of the 1800’s American belief systems of the Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and the Jehovah Witnesses. Their foundations are all anti-Catholic, the apostolic Catholic church, an abomination.

I also refer to Parker’s post of the whereabouts of Christ after His death and resurrection, and drawing on this time frame to create stories.

I see the remark of God the Father having sex with His daughter Mary as a reflection some how in the practice of polygamy.

It is conjecturing for anyone to know what Christ did. It is a mystery we must be at peace with. If God considered it important for us to know, the Apostles would have instructed us. Rather, the focus in these days of the missing Lord was rather the Apostles’ anticipation of the Holy Spirit in prayer and tears, and the preparation to receive their commission to go out and preach to all nations.

Pentecost removed the tears of the Apostles, the Holy Spirit confirmed them in strength of faith. Not only they, but Mary and many followers received the tongues of fire.

The 40 days was the period of preparation for the beginning of the Church and the spreading of the Good News of Jesus Christ.
 
why_me said:
I am still waiting for Pope Benedict to appear on larry king. Can you please ask the vatican when his appearance will be? 🙂

Hinckley was up there in years, into his nineties. When I am in my nineties, I hope that I could do as well handling a spitfire of questions from a larry king type. But I do hope that Pope Benedict will appear on larry king to answer questions about child abuse in the catholic church.

I only say this because I admire the bravery of Hinckley for appearing on such a show. Now I do think that Hinckley was advised not to appear but…he chose to.
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You’re getting off track a tad because we’re not talking about the Pope.

Are you saying that Hinckley used his free agency to lie on national television while leading the church established by Jesus Christ? Are are you giving him a pass for it because he was old and infirm?
 
why me, SirThomasMore and Returning Home:

In what way did President Hinckley lie about polygamy? It’s pretty difficult to lie about something that is completely in the public record and which has been exhaustively researched and reported upon.

President Hinckley doesn’t lie, nor has he ever. Has he ever deflected a question? Yes, because he like many others desire to discuss the real issues of substance and not rehash the same old nonsense that has been cherry picked for the last 175 years.

Lie? Please elaborate.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

PS: SirThomasMore – you seem to have a pretty major chip on your shoulder in how you refer to LDS Church leaders. It makes it pretty hard to take you seriously. You might want to tone down the rhetoric so we can have a decent conversation and learn from one another.
 
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Mormon doctrine on Christ an abomination?

God having sex with Mary? In what official Church publication did you read that?

I am certain Christ did a number of things during the 40 days leading to his ascension – much of which we indeed to not know about. What is recorded in the Bible is a very small sample of time.
 
eschuster…that was referencing what someone had said in the Mormon studies following an encounter with young missionaries.
 
I also read that Mormons believe that God was a man at one time…

So again, the whole issue of Mormonism as others from those faiths conceived in the 1800’s has to do with Christology…and that the Catholic Church, though today not explicity named, is part of the abomination along with the protestants…this construct in itself denies the charity of Christ. The SDA’s, Jehovah Witnesses were both conceived in this era and had very condemning language towards mainline Christianity and Catholicsm in general.

So to set up religion this way, it automatically uses part of its evangelization in denigrating Catholicism and other denominations. Every so often I get a Watchtower Magazine and how many times go by…it would be rare, if there wasn’t one article or picture or remark against my faith.

So how could these religions begin without the Catholic church to condemn…and condemnation is not what Christ brought…He brought new hope, redemption, salvation…through Mary, conceived by Anna and Joachim, the condition of her soul created sinless by God the Father. Our souls come from God and make us into the image of God. In the Eucharist, avoiding serious sin which breaks our relationship with the sacramental Christ, Christ’s flesh and blood – which had come from Mary – become part of ours, and we are called through Him to extend His presence to others in serving and loving others. So that is the context St. Augustine was referring to – serving others in Christ, not being little gods of our own.
 
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