The Mormon View of Jesus Christ

[why_me]

Who knows, some may be, some may not. I have no idea why a Christian would be amenable to accepting any of this.

I don’t know. To know that I was born to heavenly parents is rather comforting and that I lived with them in the preexistence is comforting too. I see no reason to see discomforture. To think of heavenly father as a father means that I can have a directly personal relationship with him. And just like my mortal father loved me, I know that my heavenly father loves me too. Now, what is wrong with that? I think that it would be terrible to believe that we all came from dust.

 

[why_me]

And I like the idea that jesus in my spiritual brother.

 

[PaulDupre]

No “mother in heaven” is mentioned in their “Gospel Principles” or “Preach My Gospel” manuals, which are the manuals used for proselytizing.

Not explicitly, but her existence is implied in Gospel Principles, chapter 2:

We Are Children of Our Heavenly Father

God is not only our ruler and creator; he is also our Heavenly Father. “All men and women are . . . literally the sons and daughters of Deity. . . . Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body” (Joseph F. Smith, “The Origin of Man,” Improvement Era, Nov. 1909, pp. 78, 80).

Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ (see D&C 93:21), so he is literally our elder brother (see Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 26). Because we are the spiritual children of our heavenly parents, we have inherited the potential to develop their divine qualities. If we choose to do so, we can become perfect, just as they are.

(emphasis on the plurals mine). If our spirits were born of “heavenly parents”, then unless the Mormon god is gay and heavenly biology is vastly different from that on earth, there must be a heavenly mother.

 

[zaffiroborant]

That we were born to heavenly parents is not a secret in the mormon church. And what would be alarming to know that we have heavenly parents. I think that it is rather comforting to know that I am very much loved by such parents. And that we are brothers and sisters to such parents.

I like that idea better than that we came from dirt or dust.

That doesn’t mean that others are aware of LDS belief in goddesses. Why is she not included in the basic lesson book? This view that Jesus Christ is the product of god and goddess is very different from anyone elses, why is it not presented to people before baptism?

 

[why_me]

I agree. But talking about God/Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother having a bunch of spirit children, including Jesus, and then populating Earth with these spirits, might be enough to set off a few alarm bells despite all the warm fuzzy “families are forever” business. For that reason, I suspect it is not something that is ever discussed with prospective converts, although I have no confirmation of that.

That may be except for the fact that it is on the first page of chapter two in the lds gospel principles manual which is now being discussed in lds meetings.

 

[why_me]

No “mother in heaven” is mentioned in their “Gospel Principles” or “Preach My Gospel” manuals, which are the manuals used for proselytizing.

There’s a whole lot in mormonism that should set off a few alarm bells.

Not true. Check the first page of chapter two in the gospel principles manual.

Both Rebecca and melanie have me on ignore and so, they never read my pearls of wisdom. Will somebody tell them that they are misleading people. Thank you. :hey_bud:

lds.org/languages/pdf/gospelprinciples/GP_2010__00_00_CompleteManual__eng_.pdf <<<<<first page of chapter two.

 

[SirThomasMore]

And I like the idea that jesus in my spiritual brother.

I like the idea of finding gold at the end of the rainbow…does not make it true

 

[PaulDupre]

I prefer the idea that Jesus is the Eternal God. My brother cannot save me.

 

[why_me]

I like the idea of finding gold at the end of the rainbow…does not make it true

I still like the idea of having heavenly parents. And that jesus is my elder brother who sacrificed his life for me.

 

[why_me]

I prefer the idea that Jesus is the Eternal God. My brother cannot save me.

Well, I don’t know. It is rather comforting to have heavenly parents who love me and who are with me. And that I also have an elder brother who gave his life for me. It is nice to be a part of a heavenly family.

 

[scipio337]

Well, I don’t know. It is rather comforting to have heavenly parents who love me and who are with me. And that I also have an elder brother who gave his life for me. It is nice to be a part of a heavenly family.

And I like the idea that the creator and ultimate being of the universe is somehow inherently different that what I am.

This could go on for a looong time.

 

[why_me]

And I like the idea that the creator and ultimate being of the universe is somehow inherently different that what I am.

This could go on for a looong time.

Well, there is nothing wrong with that idea either. But it does seem that your choice makes god just a little more distant. The other way, we have parents who love us and want the best for us and who are rooting for us to be with them again.

What does god look like since he is inherently different from you?

 

[scipio337]

Well, there is nothing wrong with that idea either. But it does seem that your choice makes god just a little more distant. The other way, we have parents who love us and want the best for us and who are rooting for us to be with them again.

What does god look like since he is inherently different from you?

“Distant” because he is different in kind, rather than degree, than I am? Part of that “difference” is capability of a greater love than I can fathom. That’s comforting too.

He doesn’t have body, so I have no idea “what god looks like”.

 

[DCNBILL]

I prefer the idea that Jesus is the Eternal God. My brother cannot save me.

Amen Paul, Amen!

 

[pinay]

pinay;6735525:

Hi Melanie, greetings!

This is not right. God is an exalted man is not doctrine. It was an idea presented by church leadership as speculation but was never sustained.

Not true. It was given as fact by Joseph Smith…who claimed to talk to God all the time. It was repeated by later LDS Prophets…see what I mean, Melanie?

This means, that the leaders had this idea, conferred the matter to God by the power of the Holy Spirit and received an answer that this is not something we need at this point in time in the matter of our salvation.

This means, since it is fringe belief, it is considered fact, but not discussed.,…even denied…like polygamy

So, as of today, we still don’t know exactly what “gathering of intelligences” entail, just like we don’t know exactly how God created the earth. And that this is not something we need to attain perfection and sit in the presence of God in the end of days.

So, Joseph Smith lied. Got it

Hello SirThomasMore,

You’re an ex-LDS-missionary you said. What timeframe was this?

I just want to know because it is pretty common knowledge and everywhere in lds.org even that polygamy was a practice of the early church leadership. I’m not sure why you think it is “denied”?

For Melanie,

I have no intention of painting the LDS church with a bright brush by sweeping difficult things under the rug.

Just like being a Catholic for the first 30 years of my life, I have no intention of painting the Catholic church with a bright brush by sweeping difficult Catholic history under the rug.

Learn your Catholic history and if you want to know what the LDS believe, study the LDS history as well. You won’t learn much from a forum where learning is not delivered with the Holy Spirit. I would hate to think that people studying if the Catholic church is God’s church would take their learning from the Mormon forum.

All I can do is tell you what I, as a Catholic who became LDS, believe. And all SirThomas can tell you is what he, as an LDS who became Catholic, believes. If you really want to learn, go and study and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. Otherwise, this is nothing but a he-said, she-said exercise complete with ulterior motives and what-not.

Peace to all.

 

[SirThomasMore]

I still like the idea of having heavenly parents. And that jesus is my elder brother who sacrificed his life for me.

and I still like the idea of gold at the end of the rainbow, but that does not make it true.

But it is what Mormons do.

Catholics fit their beliefs arounf God

Mormons fit God around what they like to believe

 

[SirThomasMore]

SirThomasMore;6736185:

Hello SirThomasMore,

You’re an ex-LDS-missionary you said. What timeframe was this?

1984-1986

I just want to know because it is pretty common knowledge and everywhere in lds.org even that polygamy was a practice of the early church leadership. I’m not sure why you think it is “denied”?

When I say “denied” I mean it is no longer a “current practice”

For Melanie,

I have no intention of painting the LDS church with a bright brush by sweeping difficult things under the rug.

Just like being a Catholic for the first 30 years of my life, I have no intention of painting the Catholic church with a bright brush by sweeping difficult Catholic history under the rug.

lol…another red herring deflection. Please…tell us how life was in the 1300s from your experience

All I can do is tell you what I, as a Catholic who became LDS, believe. And all SirThomas can tell you is what he, as an LDS who became Catholic, believes. If you really want to learn, go and study and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. Otherwise, this is nothing but a he-said, she-said exercise complete with ulterior motives and what-not.

Not true. I can tell you what I was taught. I can tell you what I taught. I can tell you what I studied and what I read. I can tell you my experiences. So, I can tell you much more than what I believe.
Peace to all.

 

[catholic-rcia]

I want to ask the LDS here a question, you can answer yes or no to keep it simple.

Do you believe there are false gods?

 

[RebeccaJ]

I just want to know because it is pretty common knowledge and everywhere in lds.org even that polygamy was a practice of the early church leadership. I’m not sure why you think it is “denied”?

pinay, are you saying this practice was reserved for men in high ranking positions? Shouldn’t that make you go hmmmm?

At any rate, it was more than “church leadership”. I’m descended from mormon polygamists, none who were in “church leadership”. Certainly, the many women in plural marriages were never in church leadership.

Go to josepsmith.com, and see how many of his marriages are talked about or described. Emma, that’s it. Why is that? It supposed to be a site about Joseph Smith.

 

[why_me]

SirThomasMore;6736185:

For Melanie,

I have no intention of painting the LDS church with a bright brush by sweeping difficult things under the rug.

Just like being a Catholic for the first 30 years of my life, I have no intention of painting the Catholic church with a bright brush by sweeping difficult Catholic history under the rug.

Learn your Catholic history and if you want to know what the LDS believe, study the LDS history as well. You won’t learn much from a forum where learning is not delivered with the Holy Spirit. I would hate to think that people studying if the Catholic church is God’s church would take their learning from the Mormon forum.

All I can do is tell you what I, as a Catholic who became LDS, believe. And all SirThomas can tell you is what he, as an LDS who became Catholic, believes. If you really want to learn, go and study and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. Otherwise, this is nothing but a he-said, she-said exercise complete with ulterior motives and what-not.

Peace to all.

I have corrected Melanie a number of times but since she has me on ignore, she never reads my posts. I have corrected her assumption that no book of mormon witness actually saw and felt the plates. John Whitmer gave testimony to the fact that he saw and turn the pages over. And Hiram page also testified that he actually saw the plates. Among others. And now on this thread I corrected her and rebecca, who also has me on ignore about heavenly mother being kept secret since she is mention in gospel principles on the first page of chapter two.

I am afraid that what a person wants to believe can never be changed.