April,Hi Marty,
I probably should of reworded that a bit. What I meant is Jesus died but when he resurected he overcame death. Do youunderstand what I’m trying to get across?
Gosh, I feel like I’m in trouble. Okay to Little Marys reply that was at 8:33pm:
That is merely your assumption then? Again, what is your basis? Yes, she was human, but does that necessarily mean she sinned?
The Trinity is not in the Bible itself; is it spiritually untrue then? The word Bible isn’t there as well; is that spiritually untrue? How about Sunday worship–can you find it there aside from Acts 17?
Hey April,Wow,
So many opinions and replies!
I dont really have a bibical reference based on my statements on wether or not she sinned they are simply basic assumptions becuase Mary was a human, (any disagreement with that?) so therefore I put two and two together and since Job 14:4 says “who can bring a clan thing out of an unclean? No one!” I figured that meant that no one is without sin. Am I misinterpreting? On when she died or if she died, the Bible doesnt really mention a death of Mary at all. There’s actuallly not a lot on Mary that didnt concern Jesus. But then again I havent exactly memorized the whole Bible. So theres response to that.
Milliardo,
Hello, what I said to Little Mary regarding your question “Where’s your proof Mary has sinned?” Also you said that “There are two views on this: one is that she was assumed to heaven. Though not in the Bible, there are precedents of this” Hmm ok Revelations 22:18 says, “For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues written in this book.” Hmm so if its not in the Bible it spirtually its not true, correct? Or am I misinterpreting?
Subrosa,
Hi, that is actually kinda intresting. thank you.
Little Mary,
Hi again, just so you know I’m not so young.But in all honesty my ignorance is abundant when it comes to the Catholic religion, thats why I’m here. John 3:16 says " For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." Thatdoesnt say whosoever has a lot of Grace gets in to heavean thats whosoever believes in Him.
Thank you all for taking the time to “educate me”.
Do you believe in an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent God? If you believe that God stands outside of our time, but can see our past, present, and future with greater clarity than we can see the screen in front of our faces now, then God knew in advance who would bear His son into the world. (This foreknowledge, by the way, does not mean that Mary was forced into this position. She had free will. Unlike Eve, Mary chose to follow God’s plan for her life. Her unique selection still represents a glorius mystery, however.) So, God knew who would bear His son in advance. We can probably all agree this far. If this is true, wouldn’t God want to shelter this precious vessel from the harm of the stain of sin, even original sin? Wouldn’t God the Father have wanted the best for His son, and wouldn’t this have been easily within His power to accomplish?Every human has made a mistake or has sinned theres no getting around that. I dont know what Marys sins were but I’m positive she had sinned. Mary was not the equivilant of God on any factor-that was point. She was human, thats why she died. Jesus didnt die. God never died. Do you see where I’m gettin at?
I spent ten minutes typing up a response to this, then it disappeared when I hit submit. So… I am going to cheat and copy a paragraph from an article of mine concerning Mary in the Catholic Church. I will post the link to the article below the excerpt.Every human has made a mistake or has sinned theres no getting around that. I dont know what Marys sins were but I’m positive she had sinned. Mary was not the equivilant of God on any factor-that was point. She was human, thats why she died. Jesus didnt die. God never died. Do you see where I’m gettin at?
Okay…anyone else having problems posting today? This is my third attempt to reply to this post. I had another response written, but it was lost when I hit submit. That being the case, I am going to copy from a rough draft of an article of mine. I will put the link under the excerpt.Every human has made a mistake or has sinned theres no getting around that. I dont know what Marys sins were but I’m positive she had sinned. Mary was not the equivilant of God on any factor-that was point. She was human, thats why she died. Jesus didnt die. God never died. Do you see where I’m gettin at?
Hello… I will leave the rest of your post to someone else, but I wanted to comment on the first paragraph. If you look at my post where I quoted the CCC, you will note that Mary was redeemed at the moment of her conception, according to the Church. Any other argument would lead one to the conclusion that you don’t believe in the omniscient nature of God. Furthermore, Mary’s use of the word “saviour” is not only true in a personal sense, but also in the sense of the Jewish people as a whole, of which she is a member. Any way you cut it, your argument doesn’t quite accomplish its goal in making us believe Mary harbored the stain of sin…
Are you saying that some people put The Virgin Mary on the same plateau as Jesus? Are you saying that people worship her? Who are these people?
The term “Falling Asleep” means the death of the body. We believe the Mother of God, being human and the inheriter of death because of the sin of Adam, fell asleep in the Lord and for three days lay in the tomb. St. Thomas upon hearing the death of the Mother of God wanted proof that she died and asked to see her tomb. (St. Thomas was always wanting physical proofs.) Upon removal of the tomb lid by the Apostles only the aroma of sweet flowers were all that was there. We believe that Mary was assumed into Heaven to join her Son after, not before her death.
Yes, I am aware of the Magnificat; in fact, the Catholic position is very much in agreement with it: Mary was freed from sin by God, so that she could bear the Son. Now, the analogy here is a vessel (Mary), and we put in water in it. If the vessel is unclean, would the water be clean? Of course it wouldn’t. So God, in His wisdom, already forgave her original sin even before she was born.
The Trinity is only alluded to in the Bible; as such, if it were clearly defined, then we would not have had the heresies in the past that denies it, would we now? Or we would not hear about the Unitarians and Oneness Pentecostals, who deny the Trinity. Again, can you find the word “Trinity” in your Bible?
Hmmm, you get bolder with every post. Now we’re all blasphemers huh?
You must keep in mind that before the canon was established, (by the Catholic Church), people were taught by oral Tradition.(2 Thes, 2:15) Those pieces of Scripture that were floating around before the Church decided the canon, could not be read by many people due to high illiteracy rates.
Now we’re all idol worshippers too. Hmmmm?
Exodus 20:3 refers to worshipping false pagan gods. Please see Exodus 25:18, Numbers 21:8-9, 1Kings 6:29, 1Chrinicles 28:18-19, and 2 Chroncles 3: 10-13. The Catholic and the Orthodox Churches venerate Holy images and this is completely Scriptural. The Ever Virgin Mary and The Mother of our God is worthy of veneration. She always points to her Son. She is still alive today. You should pray about this so that your heart and mind may be awakened. Your escalating anti-Catholic rhetoric has become alarming.
To add to this we also believe that St. Thomas was very distraught for the fact that he wasnt there at the time of St. Mary’s death and as such wanted to see her for the last time which is another reason for visiting her tomb.