What would you do if an Agnostic insulted your Church by saying that Jesus was the son of Mary with a Roman soldier? I bet you would be insensed. That’s the same as when Catholics claim that Jessus was a Jewish man and teach that he was the son of God with a woman. In other words, that Greek Mythology is possible in Judaism. That’s a grave insult to the Faith of Jesus, which was Judaism.
In other words, you won’t believe it until something of the kind you either see or experience yourself, right?
He asked forgiveness for what many sons of the Church had done, not for what “the Church” had done. It’s not quite the same thing, Ben! That some Jews were responsible for Jesus’ crucifixion (along with Pontius Pilate who O.Ked it, albeit relunctantly), we maintain it and it’s not false. That all Jews would fall under that accusation, though, would be wrong, there you are right. And I heard that some bishops did accuse all the Jews, but it’s not what the Magisterium of the Church teaches. When you say, “The Church says this or that” you should be refering to the Magisterium of the Church, not a number of bishops, however many they would be. It would be like saying “all the Jews are guilty of Jesus’ crucifixion” instead of saying “A number of Jews (but not all of them) are guilty for Jesus’ death on the cross”!
And if God would indeed raise Jesus up from death, or Jesus would be risen from death indeed, denying it on our part would not be fair. We do believe what the Church has been preaching from that Pentecost Day of maybe 30 AD to be the truth, Ben. And you are not preaching us with any authority.
I maintain this question, since you have rather evaded it…
I have asked before for documentation of this apology. I have searched and have only found second hand accounts. Unless it is put into a context, your interpretation is biased to say the least. Pope John XIII was rightly sorry that the Gospels had been used to persecute a people. Jesus was crucified by the Romans however that does not mean that the Jewish leaders, not people, not all the Jews but the Jewish leaders instigated the crucifixion. The Pope did not deny that FACT. Most Scholars statement begs the question what scholars? Start using reliable, verifiable, citations. I don’t believe you can.
This is a charge made in the Talmuds. So you believe that Jews insult Catholics. This is what you BELIEVE that Jesus was just a man. I believe that Jesus is God. Jesus is a Jew. Jesus is our Saviour. Jesus does not have to live up to what you believe. The Jews were wrong in what they believed God told them. They misunderstood their God. You ca
We must acknowledge, though, that for the people of Jesus’ time it was not a thing EXPLICITLY announced in the Torah, the Psalms, the Prophets and the Other Writings of the TaNaKH, even though there is a passage somethere stating that they would receive instruction from God Himself… it could have been understood as some infused instruction one would receive in his own mind and soul.
God does not establish laws to break them. Natural laws have been established by God. Everything that happens in nature must happen according to God’s natural laws. Does it make sense?
Well my friend, when the Pope asked for forgiveness, he said “forgive Christianity.” He did not say forgive some of the Christians or the gospel writers, but Christianity. It means, the Church. If this is not true, so the Pople committed a double error. The first for recognizing that the Church errored and second for attributing to the Church an error that she did not commit.
If you consider authority the Scriptures that Jesus used
**First of all, I did not say Pope John XIII, but Pope John 23rd. And I read it in the “Plain Truth Magazine” by Herbert Armstrong. At the time I was not interested to pursue the original quotation. I could not predict that I would come to this need to produce it. Then, what would be the use of it? The same would happen as it happened with my proofs for the 4th Crusade being organized by Pope Innocense III, which you had asked and when I produced it you discarded with the words, “What am I supposed to do with it?” That’s why I don’t like to waste my time with proofs beyond the Bible, which is something everyone has one. You say, “Start using verifiable citations.” What for, if you don’t verify them? You rather discard them when I bring them to you.
Shalom to you too from Yerushalaim, Lapell.
Sorry I meant to say John XXIII. I haven’t discussed the crusades with you. Are you confusing me with another poster? The source you used is anti-catholic and unreliable. So although I believe that the Pope indeed apologized I don’t think it was exactly for what you try to insinuate. I don’t understand what you consider a contradiciton? I see none. I will always proclaim the truth JESUS IS GOD. If anyone should be quite it is a person who says God is a liar. I do not see you as an authority of Judism.
Ah really? So no miracles recorded in the Old Testament? And God is so incapable of creating miracles?
Another set of hogwash coming from you.
Are dietary laws part of the natural laws? Just curious.
Could you provide the speech of the Pope?
And I don’t demand that you see me as an authority in Judaism. Just test my assertions with the Scriptures and I’ll be satisfied. Start with your alleged “truth that Jesus is God.” Open up the Scriptures that Jesus used to handle and prove to me that he was God. But mind you, without assumptions, because what I have from Isaiah 46:5 is that we cannot compare God with anyone as an equal, or match Him against, as if they were alike.