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sixofseven no need to be sorry, I’m happy to answer questions 
Christadelphians pray only to the Father, through the Mediatorship of Jesus Christ. He makes intercession for his disciples. (Isaiah 53:12, 1 Tim 2:5). We do not pray to the dead as the dead know nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:4,5, Daniel 12:2). They are in a state of sleep. The responsible will be raised by Christ at his return (1 Thes 4:16). The judgement and resurrection do not happen until Christ returns. Christadelphians do not believe believers go to Heaven when you die. The Kingdom of God is upon the earth. (Daniel 2:35, Rev 11:15, Gen 13:15, Acts 1:6, Isaiah 2:2, Isaiah 11:6 etc).
Lapey, God is not the author of confusion. He would not teach a doctrine we can’t understand. The baptism of Christ does not have to do with a Tri-une God. God the Father annointed his Son with God’s Power (the Holy Spirit). Jesus did no miracles before he had the Holy Spirit. Men cannot do miracles without the Holy Spirit. Can you give me a resource showing an early church doctrine on the Trinity please? The writing is talking about those who deny Jesus came in the flesh. It does not mention those denying God came in the flesh. Jesus being the same flesh as us is imperative for an understanding of the (representative) sacrifice of Christ. There was a faction that denied Jesus had come in the flesh. They believed he was some kind of spirit. The faction was not one denying God had been incarnated in the flesh. 1 Cor 13:8, 9 and 10 say that tongues and prophecy will cease. People do not possess the Holy Spirit today, it was a temporary gift. If Jesus was God he would not have to be given power. The Apostles did not forgive sins. They were not ordained with the Priesthood. The High Priest in the Tabernacle did not forgive sin, he made atonement for himself and the people. Jesus made atonement for himself by the offering of blood (Heb 9:14) and for the people. The bread and wine are representative of Christ’s body and blood. Christ cannot be 100% man and 100% God. He was 100% man and after his resurrection God raised him from the dead to die no more. He then partook of the divine nature. Baptism is necessary for salvation. However, being baptized into Christ’s death is only beneficiary if Jesus shared the same nature as ours. If he was a God that had to atone for his immaculate nature (why?) then the baptism does not relate to us who have sinful flesh that needs atoning for. Jesus said he is Alpha and Omega only after he was resurrected and partook of the Divine Nature.
Reuben J, how does Jesus saying I and the Father are one imply a Trinity. There is no Holy Spirit mentioned. If Jesus said I am Co-Equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit, we are the three parts of the one Godhead then that would be a Trinity. As it is, Jesus said that he and the Father are one. One in purpose, one in mind, one in character. Jesus was God manifested in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16) but not God incarnated in the flesh. Jesus was given power to forgive sins as he was the Son of God. God was in Heaven (Matt 6:9) and God is greater than Christ (Matt 19:17). You cannot be both God and man. God is Spirit, man is flesh. Jesus was flesh as he died. God cannot die. Jesus now cannot die as he has been given immortality by God. The “Mother Church” did not give me the Bible. God inspired the writers of the Holy Scriptures.
Soren 1, thank you If I may use an example. Let’s say Bob is “good” when he is born. Goodness was around before Bob. Lots of people are good. Bob is “good made flesh”. It was the goodness that was around before Bob. Bob did not exist before he was born. The Word has always existed, it was how God made the world and how he accomplished his plan through the promises to the Patriarchs, David etc. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. The very plan and purpose of God, the fulfilment of the Bible (the Word) was made in human form (in the likeness of sinful flesh). The Word of God pre existed, but Jesus did not. Jesus “pre-existed” as the plan of God. He “pre-existed” as he was spoken of in Gen 3:15 and throughout the Law and the Prophets. Col 1:16 is concerning the New Creation in Christ, not the literal Creation. God created the literal Creation (Mark 10:6).
Techno2000, why do you believe the Creed has authority? Do you think the Creed is inspired? Why were more ecumenical councils needed?
Nine_Two, Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, the Son of God and never claimed to be God. In fact he claimed, “the Father is greater than I”.
Christadelphians pray only to the Father, through the Mediatorship of Jesus Christ. He makes intercession for his disciples. (Isaiah 53:12, 1 Tim 2:5). We do not pray to the dead as the dead know nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:4,5, Daniel 12:2). They are in a state of sleep. The responsible will be raised by Christ at his return (1 Thes 4:16). The judgement and resurrection do not happen until Christ returns. Christadelphians do not believe believers go to Heaven when you die. The Kingdom of God is upon the earth. (Daniel 2:35, Rev 11:15, Gen 13:15, Acts 1:6, Isaiah 2:2, Isaiah 11:6 etc).Lapey, God is not the author of confusion. He would not teach a doctrine we can’t understand. The baptism of Christ does not have to do with a Tri-une God. God the Father annointed his Son with God’s Power (the Holy Spirit). Jesus did no miracles before he had the Holy Spirit. Men cannot do miracles without the Holy Spirit. Can you give me a resource showing an early church doctrine on the Trinity please? The writing is talking about those who deny Jesus came in the flesh. It does not mention those denying God came in the flesh. Jesus being the same flesh as us is imperative for an understanding of the (representative) sacrifice of Christ. There was a faction that denied Jesus had come in the flesh. They believed he was some kind of spirit. The faction was not one denying God had been incarnated in the flesh. 1 Cor 13:8, 9 and 10 say that tongues and prophecy will cease. People do not possess the Holy Spirit today, it was a temporary gift. If Jesus was God he would not have to be given power. The Apostles did not forgive sins. They were not ordained with the Priesthood. The High Priest in the Tabernacle did not forgive sin, he made atonement for himself and the people. Jesus made atonement for himself by the offering of blood (Heb 9:14) and for the people. The bread and wine are representative of Christ’s body and blood. Christ cannot be 100% man and 100% God. He was 100% man and after his resurrection God raised him from the dead to die no more. He then partook of the divine nature. Baptism is necessary for salvation. However, being baptized into Christ’s death is only beneficiary if Jesus shared the same nature as ours. If he was a God that had to atone for his immaculate nature (why?) then the baptism does not relate to us who have sinful flesh that needs atoning for. Jesus said he is Alpha and Omega only after he was resurrected and partook of the Divine Nature.
Reuben J, how does Jesus saying I and the Father are one imply a Trinity. There is no Holy Spirit mentioned. If Jesus said I am Co-Equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit, we are the three parts of the one Godhead then that would be a Trinity. As it is, Jesus said that he and the Father are one. One in purpose, one in mind, one in character. Jesus was God manifested in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16) but not God incarnated in the flesh. Jesus was given power to forgive sins as he was the Son of God. God was in Heaven (Matt 6:9) and God is greater than Christ (Matt 19:17). You cannot be both God and man. God is Spirit, man is flesh. Jesus was flesh as he died. God cannot die. Jesus now cannot die as he has been given immortality by God. The “Mother Church” did not give me the Bible. God inspired the writers of the Holy Scriptures.
Soren 1, thank you
If I may use an example. Let’s say Bob is “good” when he is born. Goodness was around before Bob. Lots of people are good. Bob is “good made flesh”. It was the goodness that was around before Bob. Bob did not exist before he was born. The Word has always existed, it was how God made the world and how he accomplished his plan through the promises to the Patriarchs, David etc. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. The very plan and purpose of God, the fulfilment of the Bible (the Word) was made in human form (in the likeness of sinful flesh). The Word of God pre existed, but Jesus did not. Jesus “pre-existed” as the plan of God. He “pre-existed” as he was spoken of in Gen 3:15 and throughout the Law and the Prophets. Col 1:16 is concerning the New Creation in Christ, not the literal Creation. God created the literal Creation (Mark 10:6).Techno2000, why do you believe the Creed has authority? Do you think the Creed is inspired? Why were more ecumenical councils needed?
Nine_Two, Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, the Son of God and never claimed to be God. In fact he claimed, “the Father is greater than I”.
