The new NEW Mass - Proper Translation

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It seems like I’m the only one excited about this…

If you have not read the article… please read it NOW…

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Tiborshok said:
It seems like I’m the only one excited about this…

If you have not read the article… please read it NOW…

Thanks
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Perhaps this post would’ve been better received on the Liturgy & Sacraments forum?
 
I am happy for the new translation of the mass. It has now the traditional feel on it, especially the confiteor (mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa). I am so excited for it to be used by all English-speaking people for the celebration of the form of the Mass.

It is a first step for me to ‘go back to the roots’. I was thinking of encouraging the people to sing the Pater Noster in Latin, and the extensive use of the Gregorian Chant to give the ordinary form of the mass a more Catholic feel.

But i ‘sense’ protest from the clergy and the lay. I fear some bishops would disapprove it and will not use it. I hope it would not be rejected.

Blessed be the Name of the Lord.
 
ProVobis said:
So why is this even discussed on the Traditional Catholic forum?
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Is this forum only for discussion of the Extraordinary Form, old form of Liturgy of the Hours, etc.? Or is it appropriate to also talk about the Reform of the Reform? I personally don’t think that Traditional Catholicism must be tied to the Extraordinary Form.
 
Bbigam said:
Is this forum only for discussion of the Extraordinary Form, old form of Liturgy of the Hours, etc.? Or is it appropriate to also talk about the Reform of the Reform?
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Good questions.
 
Tiborshok said:
What is this suppossed to mean?

Vatican 2 has so much to offer… it’s just not being impletented properly… that’s the problem…
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I was concerned about the seeming dismissal of the Missal of Paul VI in the post I responded to. As I would be for any authoritative teaching of the Magisterium, especially when it comes to the Holy sacrifice of the Mass.
 
ProVobis said:
So now you come to the Traditional Forum and slander people? That’s really a low for anyone. 😦

Speaking of ignore, you’re on.
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I did not intend to slander anyone, sorry if it came across that way. I guess I got annoyed when I read a Catholic saying they “can’t waste their dollars” on the liturgical celebration of the Mass as authoritatively promulgated by Pope Paul VI. If I overreacted I apologize.
 
diggerdomer said:
Of course, let’s remember that when the “Mass” was originally celebrated in Latin, that was a change into the vernacular, some centuries following Jesus and the Apostles (and the original Christians).
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With respect, this isn’t the case.

We don’t know if what language Our Blessed Lord used at the Last Supper. It might have been Hebrew, since the Passover Meal would have been celebrated that way, or, since it was the institution of a new thing, He might have used Aramaic for clarity or He might have used Koine Greek or Latin. We simply don’t know. We do know that the early Church employed Koine Greek, which was almost universally understood at that time in the Mediterranean world. I cannot recall, but I believe it was about 300 years after Our Lord’s Ascension that the Church made the decision to switch to Latin (by then almost universally understood, at least vulgar Latin).

I find it difficult to get excited about this because I don’t think the opposition to the new translations has a snowball’s chance in h-e-double hockey sticks. I don’t think the Holy Father is going to bend at all. Just my opinion.
 
ProVobis said:
You mean this?

My thoughts?

Changing the Mass into complete vernacular was done way too quickly. In fact, there were some prayers which should have been kept in Latin. (Gloria, Kyrie, Sanctus, Consecration, Pater Noster)

For 40 years, we’ve had to fight tooth and nail about the “for all” clause in the consecration against all the Apologists, bishops, theologians, most in the congregation, etc. Where are all its defenders now?

There are just too many overwhelming changes all coming at one time now.
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The Kyrie is in Greek. It is the only Greek in the Latin Mass.
 
adstrinity said:
The Kyrie is in Greek. It is the only Greek in the Latin Mass.
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Actually it’s the transliterate Greek, which is written using the Latin alphabet. I’m studying Biblical Greek; one of the posters talked me into it. 😉
 
ProVobis said:
Actually it’s the transliterate Greek, which is written using the Latin alphabet. I’m studying Biblical Greek; one of the posters talked me into it. 😉
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Hi ProVobis! I guess I better get to studying Greek as well! 😃 It’s been on my to-do list since I’m a graduate student. Sadly I haven’t had the time to devote to it because of school, work, and family commitments. I feel challenged to put that towards the top of my list now, otherwise I’ll just end up eating my own words… again.
 
diggerdomer said:
Of course, let’s remember that when the “Mass” was originally celebrated in Latin, that was a change into the vernacular, some centuries following Jesus and the Apostles (and the original Christians).
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Actually, the Mass was originally celebrated in a vernacular–Aramaic. Then in a lingua franca–koine Greek.

DaveBj
 
Phillip_Rolfes said:
Hi ProVobis! I guess I better get to studying Greek as well! 😃 It’s been on my to-do list since I’m a graduate student. Sadly I haven’t had the time to devote to it because of school, work, and family commitments. I feel challenged to put that towards the top of my list now, otherwise I’ll just end up eating my own words… again.
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I now have a copy of “A Primer of Biblical Greek” by N. Clayton Croy. It looked like it was exactly what I needed. Do you recommend anything else?
 
My wife is attending mandatory classes at our church for anyone who has children that will make their first Holy Communion. In this class the Nun who is teaching it is asking people to sign a petition to stop the translation from going forward. She has successfully talked about half of the parents into signing it.
On a better note. Our choir director has brought this up in a more positive light. “This is what is coming be prepared, ask questions but it is happening”.
 
donr said:
My wife is attending mandatory classes at our church for anyone who has children that will make their first Holy Communion. In this class the Nun who is teaching it is asking people to sign a petition to stop the translation from going forward. She has successfully talked about half of the parents into signing it.
On a better note. Our choir director has brought this up in a more positive light. “This is what is coming be prepared, ask questions but it is happening”.
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there’s something wrong with that nun. I cant understand why oppose the new translation?
 
diggerdomer said:
So you ignore or reject Vatican II? An ecumenical council? And all the magisterial teaching that followed it? Wow. Wish I felt as free to pick and choose what parts of authoritative teaching from the Church to adhere to. As Pope Benedict noted, the (so-called “NO” as you note) Mass of Paul VI is the ORDINARY form. Sorry you feel that “ordinary” Catholicism is a waste of your “dollars.”
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Wow…

This is way less than charitable. Please, charity first.

The poster to whom you are responding has said nothing here to attack to the ordinary form, but has rather expressed an strong preference for the extraordinary form, and for traditional Catholic praxis. There is NOTHING wrong with this.

These sorts of attacks on tradition and traditional Catholic praxis really are not charitable, especially in the Traditional From at CAF. Peace!
 
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