The "NO" Case in the Australian SSM Debate

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That’s the problem with the government getting involved.
I think the government should be involved, and in fact has a duty to, because of the procreation and rearing of children. It should encourage the union of a man and a woman and to the children that are born of the fruit of that union. When gender and children are taken out of the equation as it is with SSM, then government has no reason to be involved.

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God Bless You

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Josh
 
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Bishop William Morris: “The question about any proposed law is not whether it squares with church teaching or a moral ideal, but whether it is a good practical rule for people living in this society at this time.” Aurora Magazine, Sept 2017.

Oh, this is very holy Catholicism - who cares what the Church teaches about morality? It’s “society” that matters most!

What admirable leadership. The Good Lord must be so proud of him.
 
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That’s the classical argument and the one I’ve previously made, but the problem is the government just can’t do it anymore because the cultural forces that once took marriage seriously are gone from much of the First World. It’s not government that has been the driving force, it’s the culture. Government is just a reflection of what culture is, especially in a democratic government.

The SSM issue isn’t something that happens overnight----this is the product of a decades long decay of the institution of marriage that has been ridiculed and assaulted even in sectors of the religious community. In fact, when the debate was raging in America, people joked why GBLT would want to suffer through such a thing.

The government simply cannot be trusted, and if they get out of the marriage business altogether, the SSM movement loses a lot of wind of their sails.
 
The government simply cannot be trusted, and if they get out of the marriage business altogether, the SSM movement loses a lot of wind of their sails.
No, in fact they succeed, as many of these agenda driven activists want to do away with marriage altogether, and by pluralizing it, it becomes unmanageable and they are left with the solution you offer now which is what they wanted all along.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
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Action is not certain. And then who knows how the lollies will vote. Our survey won’t mean a thing either way then.

The survey is very open to corruption and this has already been seen.

The waste of money in this survey could have been put to better use.
 
Again. It’s not a vote. We are not voting, we can’t vote
 
Again. It’s not a vote. We are not voting, we can’t vote
Don’t be fooled. This postal survey is indeed a vote, and it will become binding just like a vote. It’s a disgrace that the Liberal Nationals have let us down with such a flimsy postal vote and it’s a disgrace that we have had to fight tooth and nail for our right to vote in a democracy.

If the people cannot be trusted to vote on this issue, why would they be trusted to vote on any other issue? We are only a few steps away from tyranny.
 
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It’s not binding. It’s just seeking opinions. It can’t change the law

It’s about time people started calling it out for what it is.
 
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It’s not binding. It’s just seeking opinions. It can’t change the law
Very foolish thing to say. It may not be binding on our legal system at the present time, but it will certainly be binding on our politicians and campaigners who will then make the result law. The result can and will change the law.
It’s about time people started calling it out for what it is.
It’s about time people wake up and take this seriously.
 
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Very foolish thing to say. It may not be binding on our legal system at the present time, but it will certainly be binding on our politicians and campaigners who will then make the result law. The result can and will change the law.
Josh ,this survey, your marking yes or no, won’t change the status quo.

The politicians then have to vote in parliament if, and a very big if, they decide to.

Read ‘what comes next’
 
Josh ,this survey, your marking yes or no, won’t change the status quo.
Of course it will.
The politicians then have to vote in parliament if, and a very big if, they decide to.
Which they obviously will, and if they were to vote opposite to the survey result, then they will be accused of being dictators and denying the will of the people.

You need to take this seriously. It’s the ‘yes’ side who make these accusations, who have been against a vote from day one and trying to generate apathy among ‘no’ voters so that they can win.
 
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Josh, what legal rights does this survey have? Point me in the direction please.

And get a hold of the what if speech our pm has made.

This isn’t even going to be a true representation of what the population wants.
 
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No it doesn’t. It has no legal platform. Parliament already have legal mandate to bring new laws into debate to pass

And given the abuse of survey forms already, your second comment is meaningless. Not even the government are taking this seriously.
 
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Respectfully, stop being so naive with these cheap excuses and listen to Josh. The idea that this has no impact is completely foolish. A lot of people are just looking for a lame excuse to support this nonsense. Don’t give them one.
 
It has no legal rights.

None.

The government already has the mandate to just introduce a bill. They don’t need a dodgy survey to do it.

And I can guarantee you, if a no vote is returned, they will still introduce the bill.

You watch and wait
 
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I’m sure. But don’t make a bad situation worse. People need to stand against this.
 
That’s the classical argument and the one I’ve previously made, but the problem is the government just can’t do it anymore because the cultural forces that once took marriage seriously are gone from much of the First World. It’s not government that has been the driving force, it’s the culture. Government is just a reflection of what culture is, especially in a democratic government.

The SSM issue isn’t something that happens overnight----this is the product of a decades long decay of the institution of marriage that has been ridiculed and assaulted even in sectors of the religious community. In fact, when the debate was raging in America, people joked why GBLT would want to suffer through such a thing.

The government simply cannot be trusted, and if they get out of the marriage business altogether, the SSM movement loses a lot of wind of their sails.
Yes… I’m increasingly in agreement with the idea the government should get out of the marriage business to begin with. In fact, it’s actually surprising how many people still seem to think that keeping the matter under the government’s purview is conducive to keeping the definition as that of a man and a woman, considering the frequency in which that action (keeping it under the government’s purview) has resulted in the exact opposite happening. This happening in the US feels like it should have been a wakeup call that maybe you shouldn’t be leaving this sort of thing up to the government… but I guess people haven’t learned.
 
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