The Novus Ordo Mass-What do you like about it?

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God bless you, we shall be rewarded I am sure for seeking out and traveling to attend a Mass that reveres our Lord and God and not eachother, not that I dont love my neighbor, but it is scripture that we are to Love God first and foremost.
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Asimis:
Yes, I went last Sunday and I found it to be true to the Tradition of The Church and also incrddibly reverence. It really reflected that one believed what was being done and what was said. As such I have decided to go to it all Sundays and to probably stop going ot the NO.
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I like the inclusion of readings from the Old Testament along with the epistles and the Gospel as opposed to just readings from the epistles and the Gospel. I also like the three-year scriptural cycle.

I like the readings from the Old Testament and New Testament in English because the Tridentine Mass was redundant with the readings first in Latin and then given by the priest in English during the homily.

I like the removal of the “Introibo ad altare Dei” from the front of the Mass and the “In principio erat verbum” from the back of the Mass. I don’t have anything against those passages, I just think we hear them often enough in the ordinary course of the liturgy that they don’t need to be said each time.

I like having the parts of the Mass that change each week in English because it’s easier to follow.

Other than that, I prefer the way things are done in the Tridentine Mass more.
 
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BulldogCath:
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It is a fact-try checking the guide-and the worst part is that these shows-Our Moslem Neighbors, The God Squad, the Orthodox Jewish show, Life on the Rock are the shows that are on Prime Time. You have to wait till after 11PM to maybe catch Father Corpai or I caught a show the other night maybe at midnight with an Italian sister talking about Pope Pius XII. The other times you get Scott Hahn-a converted Protestant who I now understand has taken over for Mother Angelica or at least has something to do with the programing from what I read in another forum.

And maybe stop being so hostile Nota-but if I had to defend the last 40 years of the Vatican II church and the free for all that is going on today-I guess I would feel a bit unsettled as you do
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After reading your post I must admit I was puzzled about the shows that you listed. I have been watching EWTN since 1992 and I have never seen The God Squad on there. The only show that you listed that I have seen on EWTN is Life On The Rock and I haven’t watched it much at all since Jeff Cavins is no longer on it. I went to the EWTN website and pulled up the schedule for February and could not find any of those shows that you mentioned. I think The God Squad is on Trinity Broadcasting . I watch Fr. Corapi every Sunday evening on EWTN I think it’s around 7 or 8p.m. either right before or right after Fr. Groeschel.
 
A little bit of confession from a Traditionalist:

Father, forgive me, for I have sinned. I went to a Novus Ordo service. I know I shouldn’t have. And I paid the price for my sacrilege.
Last Sunday I went to the Novus Ordo Mass because I was too lazy to attend the Traditional Latin Mass that is celebrated in the same city. In effect, I spit on God’s generosity in providing me the opportunity to worship Him the way he intended and instead, out of laziness, worshipped man at this Modernistic shrine of the Novus Ordo. I knew full well that this Mass was manufactured by Bugnini, exposed as a Freemason and exiled by Pope Paul VI to Iran, where, in 1980, he is said to have betrayed American hostage secrets to the Iranian ayatollahs.

I walked into the chapel. The first thing that struck me was that everyone was talking. No silence anywhere. The altar was in the center of the chapel, with chairs arranged in a circular form around it. Kneelers were nowhere in evidence. If there was a tabernacle there, I didn’t see it.

The altar was “dressed” by a girl with dyed red hair, wearing a tight halter-top that pushed a substantial amount of belly through the gap between her shirt and her camouflage pants.

I sat down. A tall, white-haired, but still youngish-looking man sat in front of me, wearing a polo shirt and jeans. A couple of girls sat on the floor next to me and didn’t want a chair when offered one. The Mass began. The priest told everyone to greet one another. The man in the polo shirt turned and limply placed his hand in mine, and introduced himself as a priest.

The readings for Mass were read by a couple of students. One of the girls had a hard time with her piece. “You are a priest forever, after the order of … um … WHATEVER.” The presbyter looked up from his seat: “Melchisedek!,” he hissed. “Yeah, what he said. The word of the Lord,” she responded.

Yes, I sinned by going to the Novus Ordo. I knew better than that. I was lazy, and I made all kinds of vain excuses for doing so. But at least God was merciful enough to chastise me. Now I am confirmed again in the true Faith and worship you and not the person next to me…
 
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I have checked and in my diocese here, we have Telicare which along with EWTN provides all of the programming. Since I probably live in one of the most liberal places , but unfortunatly most densly populated areas, New York, Telicare has infiltrated and pushed all of its ecumenical garbage on along with the EWTN programming. If you compare the EWTN program website-you see some good conservative programing-but Telicare has taken over all of the prime hours and has “The Christophers”, “God squad”, Our Muslim Neigbors" all on back to back to back. Check out Channel 29 and see what I am taling about
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Lucania:
After reading your post I must admit I was puzzled about the shows that you listed. I have been watching EWTN since 1992 and I have never seen The God Squad on there. The only show that you listed that I have seen on EWTN is Life On The Rock and I haven’t watched it much at all since Jeff Cavins is no longer on it. I went to the EWTN website and pulled up the schedule for February and could not find any of those shows that you mentioned. I think The God Squad is on Trinity Broadcasting . I watch Fr. Corapi every Sunday evening on EWTN I think it’s around 7 or 8p.m. either right before or right after Fr. Groeschel.
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http://tvlistings4.zap2it.com/partners/grid.asp?partner_id=new

I have checked and in my diocese here, we have Telicare which along with EWTN provides all of the programming. Since I probably live in one of the most liberal places , but unfortunatly most densly populated areas, New York, Telicare has infiltrated and pushed all of its ecumenical garbage on along with the EWTN programming. If you compare the EWTN program website-you see some good conservative programing-but Telicare has taken over all of the prime hours and has “The Christophers”, “God squad”, Our Muslim Neigbors" all on back to back to back. Check out Channel 29 and see what I am talking about
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Lucania:
After reading your post I must admit I was puzzled about the shows that you listed. I have been watching EWTN since 1992 and I have never seen The God Squad on there. The only show that you listed that I have seen on EWTN is Life On The Rock and I haven’t watched it much at all since Jeff Cavins is no longer on it. I went to the EWTN website and pulled up the schedule for February and could not find any of those shows that you mentioned. I think The God Squad is on Trinity Broadcasting . I watch Fr. Corapi every Sunday evening on EWTN I think it’s around 7 or 8p.m. either right before or right after Fr. Groeschel.
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BulldogCath said:
A little bit of confession from a Traditionalist:

Father, forgive me, for I have sinned. I went to a Novus Ordo service. I know I shouldn’t have. And I paid the price for my sacrilege.

Yes, I sinned by going to the Novus Ordo…
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What a sad and terrible offensive post. If you are replying counter to the topic just to stir people up, then consider it done. Perhaps now you have something real to go to confession about.

It angers me when protestants degrade and call the holy mass a sacrilege, then no less does it anger me when Catholics do the same. I have never heard anyone call the TLM a sacrilege and talk as horribly about that as do a minority of fringe traditionalists who love to find extreme abuses and thereby run down the holy Mass.

The current Mass (which traditional propaganda has labeled the Novus Ordo) is the Holy Mass of the Catholic Church. If you do not like it, then build a bridge and get over it. Or leave, as some already have. But quit coming to a Cathlolic website just to insult what Catholics hold sacred.

PS - I regret I will not see any reply. After I get this hot it is time to use the ignore function for a while.
 
BulldogCath said:
A little bit of confession from a Traditionalist:
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Father, forgive me, for I have sinned. I went to a Novus Ordo service. I know I shouldn’t have. And I paid the price for my sacrilege.

Were you actually the author of the letter to Father Moderator? Too bad you didn’t post the reply where Fr. Moderator says:
How anyone could call this a “Mass,” consider it “valid,” or regard it as anything but silly nonsense is beyond me
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Wonder where his authority lies to say that the Mass was not valid?

Really, you’ve got to stop relying on the schismatic Traditio.com for material. Why would you want to associate with a website that uses outright lies to promote its agenda?
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bear06:
Were you actually the author of the letter to Father Moderator? Too bad you didn’t post the reply where Fr. Moderator says:
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Wonder where his authority lies to say that the Mass was not valid?
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Really, you’ve got to stop relying on the schismatic Traditio.com for material. Why would you want to associate with a website that uses outright lies to promote its agenda?
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Incidently, for those of you who didn’t know, Bulldog’s confession was from traditio.com. I’m just guessing it wasn’t actually his letter to Father Moderator.
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Who is Father Moderator?

And I see nothing offensive about that post, it is just showing what a person brought up with piety and Love for the church feels when they go from one mass to the other.

Maybe you feel that way…but I do feel deficient and lazy when I dont go to the TLM/indult and instead take the “easy way” out and go to my nearest NO mass.

I guess I hit a nerve, vein, artery or some other vital organ in your body with that post
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bear06:
Incidently, for those of you who didn’t know, Bulldog’s confession was from traditio.com. I’m just guessing it wasn’t actually his letter to Father Moderator.
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BulldogCath said:
Who is Father Moderator?
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Good question. He’s apparently somebody who’s quite willing to belong to a group who posts story with little or no truth to them.
And I see nothing offensive about that post, it is just showing what a person brought up with piety and Love for the church feels when they go from one mass to the other.
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Yeah, just keep telling yourself that. Someday it might be true! 😉
I guess I hit a nerve, vein, artery or some other vital organ in your body with that post
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Yes, it goes to my core when a person who is supposedly a priest is telling you that a Mass is invalid when he should know darn well the difference between invalid and illicit. He seems to have his own private authority to determine these things which sounds quite protestant in nature from someone who calls himself a Catholic.
 
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pnewton:
What a sad and terrible offensive post. If you are replying counter to the topic just to stir people up, then consider it done. Perhaps now you have something real to go to confession about.

It angers me when protestants degrade and call the holy mass a sacrilege, then no less does it anger me when Catholics do the same. I have never heard anyone call the TLM a sacrilege and talk as horribly about that as do a minority of fringe traditionalists who love to find extreme abuses and thereby run down the holy Mass.

The current Mass (which traditional propaganda has labeled the Novus Ordo) is the Holy Mass of the Catholic Church. If you do not like it, then build a bridge and get over it. Or leave, as some already have. But quit coming to a Cathlolic website just to insult what Catholics hold sacred.

PS - I regret I will not see any reply. After I get this hot it is time to use the ignore function for a while.
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pnewton, you admitted that you got angry after reading Bulldog’s post and confession. Guys like you will never “get it”! You can’t understand because you CAN’T understand. What was it that you got angry about?

I did not see where Bulldog called the Novus Ordo Mass a sacrilege.

I did see where he said:
1 There were no kneelers
2. Kids were sitting on the floor
3. People were not praying, they were talking
4. An improperly dressed girl was allowed near the altar
5. The girl could not read, and said “Whatever” when she didn’t know a word.
6. The people all stopped during the Mass to shake hands

It is difficult to be tactful and still say what I am trying to say so I will say this. I think you have have not been chariatable with Bulldog. If you stop to think, all the deviances he reported were giving Jesus a slap in the face. Yes it was deviant. But you support all the odd things that went on, don’t you?

I don’t think he(Bulldog) sinned for this reason, he was there for the Consecration and the Communion- these are the fundamentals. pnewton could you allow a Roman Catholic to want to attend a Traditional Roman Catholic Mass. I just read several days ago that there are more than 6 different Masses being said in the Western World today. You don’t want to be Prejudiced do you?
 
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bear06:
So, does that mean if you go on vacation to a place that doesn’t have a TLM that you will skip Mass?
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No I would not, but I would keep my behaviour in it as traditional as I can. That is, kneeling to receive commuinion, not receiving it in the hand, etc, etc.
 
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Exporter:
pnewton, you admitted that you got angry after reading Bulldog’s post and confession. Guys like you will never “get it”! You can’t understand because you CAN’T understand. What was it that you got angry about?
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It is difficult to be tactful and still say what I am trying to say so I will say this. I think you have have not been chariatable with Bulldog. If you stop to think, all the deviances he reported were giving Jesus a slap in the face. Yes it was deviant. But you support all the odd things that went on, don’t you?

I don’t think he(Bulldog) sinned for this reason, he was there for the Consecration and the Communion- these are the fundamentals. pnewton could you allow a Roman Catholic to want to attend a Traditional Roman Catholic Mass.
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Absolutely I was angry. Whether that was right or not is fo God to judge. I do not like people running down the Mass. I would never dream of judging the TLM or those who attend it like he did.

I like honesty. I do not like the ruse of starting a thread with this title for the opposite stated purpose. Deliberately misleading others is not in keeping with Christian principles. If is only necessary to resort to such propaganda when when one lacks moral scruples.

Do I get it? I get it all right. There have always been those who place more trust in their feelings than their faith. For the Charismatic, it might be the feeling of excitement. For the traditionalist, it might be the feeling of holiness.

As far as what I support or do not support, obviously you do not have a clue because you are dead wrong. But I guess it is easier to preach charity than practice it.
 
One thing I’d like to point out is that Bulldog, in all likelihood, didn’t write this little piece. If he did, he’d know who Father Moderator is since this letter was addressed to him. This came from traditio.com and since many of the things on that site are lies, there’s absolutely know reason to think that this might not also be a lie.

Bulldog’s post has nothing to do with the question at hand? It’s simply another scandalous thing to put out there to encourage people to come to believe what he believes.

It’s absolutely amazing to me that people keep quoting from a site that can’t use truth to make its arguments! It’s amazing to me that a site that claims to be so traditional, sins to try and win their point. Unfortunately this is quite common with rad-Trad sites.
 
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bear06:
One thing I’d like to point out is that Bulldog, in all likelihood, didn’t write this little piece.

It’s absolutely amazing to me that people keep quoting from a site that can’t use truth to make its arguments! It’s amazing to me that a site that claims to be so traditional, sins to try and win their point. Unfortunately this is quite common with rad-Trad sites.
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Thank you for the information. It puts things in perspective.

There is enough straw-man arguments used against the Holy Mass without making things up. To use the most extreme examples of abuse and hold it out saying, “This is the Novus Ordo” is a straw-man arguement. Clowns, dancing and other embellishments are are not part of the Mass.

When one goes as far to stretch the truth to sell a position, then they are doing the work of the devil, who was a liar from the beginiing and is the father of all lies. Worse yet, others (like this situation) may quote the lie as truth and fail to realize it.

In any case, Mass attendence is not sin. Failure to attend Mass is sin. If someone really felt the weight of sin the way the letter described, he probably suffers from scrupulosity.
 
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