The One Place on Earth Not Destroyed in '2012'

[GraceSofia]

Movies are aimed at their target audiences. Few muslims will see this movie …

Actually, quite a few of them will probably see it. Especially when it becomes known that important Christian and Western landmarks are destroyed, but nothing Muslim. In Arab countries, a lot of American films are available on DVDs.

I am concerned that Muslims will see this film as further “proof” of Islamic superiority.
It sends a bad message when westerners denigrate their own Christian heritage. Muslims interpret that to mean that we think their religion is more valid than ours, that because we do not value our own heritage and traditions, theirs are better.

 

[ralphinal]

I understand that it’s not a very good movie anyway. Is it worth a thread on CAF?

Sure it is! Stuff on the interwebz don’t take up space! Besides, bad effects-driven sci-fi stuff tends to make money.

 

[latin_rite]

The One Place on Earth Not Destroyed in ‘2012’

**For “2012,” Emmerich set his sites on destroying the some biggest landmarks around the world, from Rome to Rio. But there’s one place that Emmerich wanted to demolish but didn’t: the Kaaba, the cube-shaped structure located in the center of Mecca. It’s the focus of prayers and the site of the Hajj, the biggest, most important pilgrimage in Islam. **

**“Well, I wanted to do that, I have to admit,” the filmmaker told scifiwire.com. “But my co-writer Harald [Kloser] said, ‘I will not have a fatwa on my head because of a movie.’ And he was right.” **

…

Emmerich has no qualms about wrecking other major landmarks, however. The massive dome of St. Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican rolls on top of a crowd of churchgoers. The huge Christ the Redeemer statue that looms over Rio de Janeiro disintegrates.

movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-roland-emmerich-fatwa.html

In the movie he’ll destroy:

The White House

The Sistine Chapel in the Vatican

St. Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican

Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio de Janeiro

…

but he’s afraid to blow up the Kaaba in his movie fearing fatwa’s…

What a wuss!

Well if he was too scared to destroy something of value in the muslim religion. Why not desotry a valued jewish site or a valued buddisht site? Why even destroy a religous site at all?

 

[7_Sorrows]

The article doesn’t say that he doesn’t believe organized religion exists. He simply doesn’t believe that organized religion is a good thing. Obviously he believes it exists, because he singled out icons of organized religions to (virtually) destroy.

I do not think that his understanding of the probable consequences of a fatwa being declared against him to be cowardice. It’s simply good sense. It would be one thing if his purpose was to rebel against or insult religion, but it’s not. His purpose is to make a movie that will entertain people, and thus make money. He’s not presenting or defending any ideals here.

So why should he put himself at risk? (shrug) I wouldn’t.

Mind you, I would have spread my destruction around a little more…destroyed New York instead of LA (but this guy already did that in ‘Day after Tomorrow,’ so I guess he couldn’t repeat himself with that one), or perhaps New Orleans–except of course Hurricane Katrina did too good a job of that in ‘real life’–or maybe, what, Chicago? However…if Chicago went, who’d care?

(shrug) It’s no big deal. It’s a movie. It is no insult to have the Vatican, the Christus and Notre Dame get exploded in it—it is a tribute to the importance these things have to humanity. They are icons and their destruction stands for the destruction of the earth and the trauma of that. If they were not as important and beloved as they are, the depiction of their destruction wouldn’t have the effect the director wants. These scenes say 'these things are important; iconic; losing them means much more than the destruction of a building."

It is a compliment.

Ignoring the Muslims is not. It says to those Muslims…‘the world is being destroyed, and yeah, you are dying along with everybody else, but nobody cares, and you aren’t important enough to risk my life to show that you may be important, or even worth mentioning.’

Anyway, that’s my take.

Diana, understanding that the day someone makes a ‘word ending disaster movie’ that features the destruction of Salt Lake City is the day we have, by George, ARRIVED!!!

i think you misunderstood my post. when i quoted him as saying he doesn’t believe in organized religion, i didn’t mean that he doesn’t think that organized religion exists. everyone knows we have organized religion. to him, organized religion is useless.
he obviously is afraid of muslim extremists or he would have taken out a symbol of Islam as well. i don’t think that he destroyed anything pertaining to Judaism either - so he didn’t want to offend any Jewish colleagues in Hollywood. however, Christians are fair game.

 

[ahollars]

We in western societies cannot keep sending the message that Islamic extremism is wrong and intolerable if we aren’t willing to step up in the face of it and say that we refuse to be intimidated by it. I don’t want to die any more than any other sane person would want to, but I’d rather die than live in a world where a group of bullies can force me to live according to their religion that I think is false just because they’re willing to kill me over a movie, book, speech, or whatever. That’s not any kind of life worth living. Sure, today it’s movie, but we’ve already seen from looking at the Christian minorities in the Middle East and certain parts of Europe what comes once Muslims don’t have to fear repression from the government becuase they run it or dictate to it. I dread the day that we won’t be able to ring church bells for fear of hurting some more Muslim feelings. This has already happened in Kosovo!

Not being afraid to die does not absolve you or anyone else of their responsibility or culpability if someone else dies because of your actions. Anyone unwilling to accept that is not facing the totality of consequences of their actions. Go raise your right hand if you want to prove that you are not afraid. Until then, quit talking, and go and actually do something about it.

:knight1:

 

[choy]

Well if he was too scared to destroy something of value in the muslim religion. Why not desotry a valued jewish site or a valued buddisht site? Why even destroy a religous site at all?

agreed. if he’s afraid to portray a virtual distrction of a site in fear of offending one religion, why doesn’t he display this standard for other sites that may offend other religion

bottom line is, no one is afraid of offending Christians, especially Catholics. in fact, some even make it a habit to do so

 

[7_Sorrows]

Actually, quite a few of them will probably see it. Especially when it becomes known that important Christian and Western landmarks are destroyed, but nothing Muslim. In Arab countries, a lot of American films are available on DVDs.

I am concerned that Muslims will see this film as further “proof” of Islamic superiority.
It sends a bad message when westerners denigrate their own Christian heritage. Muslims interpret that to mean that we think their religion is more valid than ours, that because we do not value our own heritage and traditions, theirs are better.

i agree with you 100%. also, the muslims will see this film and the actions of the people who made it, as further proof of how they can intimidate others because of the threat of violence.

 

[7_Sorrows]

agreed. if he’s afraid to portray a virtual distrction of a site in fear of offending one religion, why doesn’t he display this standard for other sites that may offend other religion

bottom line is, no one is afraid of offending Christians, especially Catholics. in fact, some even make it a habit to do so

yes, we are fair game.

 

[John_Larocque]

In the 1930s, when Warner Brothers wanted to make films about the rising menace of European fascism and Nazi Germany, they were repeatedly told by the production office that it wasn’t a good idea. So they had domestic fascists in Black Legion and other historical stand-ins for Hitler. This fear to offend was done on the basis of losing box office money in Europe. I believe they told the production office to take a hike when they made “Confessions of a Nazi Spy.” Eventually outstanding films like Sergeant York and Casablanca were made. They were made because they weren’t afraid to make them.

 

[jakasaki]

In the 1930s, when Warner Brothers wanted to make films about the rising menace of European fascism and Nazi Germany, they were repeatedly told by the production office that it wasn’t a good idea. So they had domestic fascists in Black Legion and other historical stand-ins for Hitler. This fear to offend was done on the basis of losing box office money in Europe. I believe they told the production office to take a hike when they made “Confessions of a Nazi Spy.” Eventually outstanding films like Sergeant York and Casablanca were made. They were made because they weren’t afraid to make them.

Ahhh, yes, those were the good old days!

Thanks for sharing.

 

[choy]

yes, we are fair game.

i’m afraid that if this continues at some point someone in our faith will snap and also resort to extremism

 

[jakasaki]

i’m afraid that if this continues at some point someone in our faith will snap and also resort to extremism

I hope & pray that day will not be upon us Choy.

 

[faithstride]

The director roland emmerich is simply an anticatholic he is not just adding the images of our church crumbling for dramatic effect here is some proof creativeminorityreport.com/2009/07/is-2012-trailer-anti-catholic.html

Hollywood is always been known to attack Christians and no one else why? well simple Hollywood is controlled by Jewish people and even largely influenced by homosexuals and atheists. Jews will never allow anyone to attack them so thats why you wont see judiasm attacked and they just like the director are too afraid to attack the religion of the devil Islam because they dont want a riot on their hands. they will however attack Christians because we are very peaceful and forgiving and to them an easy target just like Jesus Christ suffered we must too.

We as Christians should not be afraid of Muslims we should learn from history. hundreds of years ago muslims invaded many parts of the world especially the middle east killed millions of innocent christians and took their lands thus the crusades occured which protected the remaining christans and saved millions of lives. Muslims are very evil people I should know I am middle eastern Catholic they not only stole the middle east from my people Christians but took credit for their inventions and ideas many even claim they invented algebra when it was the assyrians who did. We as Christians and human beings should stand up against islam this is a very cruel religion and people many countries are letting muslims influence everything they do look at europe it is being infested with muslims and as more and more muslims migrate crime keeps raising and everything is wrecking. Sweden is even deporting christians but yet is allowing muslims in. what the director is doing is not something we should just forget about we should learn from this to know what is happening and how dangerous our world is becoming because of the violent and bully islam we Christians must (nonviolently) fight back with our brains and our faith.

 

[dzheremi]

Hollywood is always been known to attack Christians and no one else why? well simple Hollywood is controlled by Jewish people and even largely influenced by homosexuals and atheists. Jews will never allow anyone to attack them so thats why you wont see judiasm attacked.

Oh boy! More crazy rambling!

I’ve got two words and a video clip in response to the above argument: Mel Brooks.

Mel Brooks is most definitely a Jew, and yet he wrote and acted in scenes like this one from the movie “History of the World Pt. 1”, wherein Moses is comically portrayed as a klutz who messes up the transmission of God’s commandments.

 

[faithstride]

what did I say that was so crazy and all because you point mel brooks who basically mocks everyone and everything is mocking moses doesnt mean hollywood is not controlled by jews and that jews attack christians. here is some proof that jews control hollywood

latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column

also have you ever thought mel brooks might not be religious at all thus attacking both christians and jews.

 

[faithstride]

Oh boy! More crazy rambling!

I’ve got two words and a video clip in response to the above argument: Mel Brooks.

Mel Brooks is most definitely a Jew, and yet he wrote and acted in scenes like this one from the movie “History of the World Pt. 1”, wherein Moses is comically portrayed as a klutz who messes up the transmission of God’s commandments.

what did I say that was so crazy and all because you point mel brooks who basically mocks everyone and everything is mocking moses doesnt mean hollywood is not controlled by jews and that jews attack christians. here is some proof that jews control hollywood

latimes.com/news/opinion/…4676183.column

also have you ever thought mel brooks might not be religious at all thus attacking both christians and jews.

 

[jakasaki]

What “iconic” place do the Jews have left?

A small part of the existing temple wall… and that’s it.

Not unless they have something BIG that I’m not aware of.

This discussion was that Christian Iconic places were being destroyed and that this film maker did not touch islamic iconic places because as he stated he did not want any fatwa’s placed on his head/life.

If he did… **IF **he did destroy the last wall of the temple in Jerusalem, do you think that Jews would place some sort of “death sentence” on this film director.

I seriously think not!

 

[faithstride]

What “iconic” place do the Jews have left?

A small part of the existing temple wall… and that’s it.

Not unless they have something BIG that I’m not aware of.

This discussion was that Christian Iconic places were being destroyed and that this film maker did not touch islamic iconic places because as he stated he did not want any fatwa’s placed on his head/life.

If he did… **IF **he did destroy the last wall of the temple in Jerusalem, do you think that Jews would place some sort of “death sentence” on this film director.

I seriously think not!

I was talking about the 2012 movie and muslims in my post but I also said that Jews also attack us Christians we should not overlook them neither just as the muslims have control over the middle east and attack us christians the Jewish people also have control over the Hollywood and the american media and attack Christians. why do you think when Mel Gibson wanted to make Passion of The Christ noone would fund it? I will tell you why its because jews control the production compaines and wont help promote christianity but just attack it. not only that but did you see how they criminalize gibson for the whole drunk incident that kind of points to the media being influenced by jews! look at this youtube video the person acting as Jesus is jack black who is jewish!

youtube.com/watch?v=B_hyT7_Bx9o

Jews just like Muslims are very Guilty of attacking us Christians I think you and the other one who replied to my comment probably are influenced by the media into always feeling sorry for Jews.

 

[jakasaki]

I was talking about the 2012 movie and muslims in my post but I also said that Jews also attack us Christians we should not overlook them neither just as the muslims have control over the middle east and attack us christians the Jewish people also have control over the Hollywood and the american media and attack Christians. why do you think when Mel Gibson wanted to make Passion of The Christ noone would fund it? I will tell you why its because jews control the production compaines and wont help promote christianity but just attack it. not only that but did you see how they criminalize gibson for the whole drunk incident that kind of points to the media being influenced by jews! look at this youtube video the person acting as Jesus is jack black who is jewish!

youtube.com/watch?v=B_hyT7_Bx9o

Jews just like Muslims are very Guilty of attacking us Christians I think you and the other one who replied to my comment probably are brainwashed into always feeling sorry for Jews.

What is your feeling regarding this film producer **NOT **“blowing” up the kabba the dome or any islamic iconic place?

 

[dzheremi]

what did I say that was so crazy and all because you point mel brooks who basically mocks everyone and everything is mocking moses doesnt mean hollywood is not controlled by jews and that jews attack christians. here is some proof that jews control hollywood

latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column

also have you ever thought mel brooks might not be religious at all thus attacking both christians and jews.

It is none of my business how religious Mel Brooks might be. I don’t think that really factors into his work, anyway, and that’s kind of my point: Hollywood is all about money, not some Jewish conspiracy to attack Christianity. So even if they Jews control Hollywood, it doesn’t really mean anything. The article you linked says that more people used to believe in the “Jewish Hollywood” idea, and this was years ago when Hollywood was still producing films which did not mock Christianity. Did Hollywood become more anti-Christian because of Jews, or is a matter of anti-Christian sentiment being more acceptable among the (largely gentile) movie-going public than it was in previous eras? Either way, I don’t think you can chalk it up to Jewish control of the media, which is ultimately what the article you linked points out:

I called ADL Chairman Abe Foxman, who was in Santiago, Chile, where, he told me to my dismay, he was not hunting Nazis. He dismissed my whole proposition, saying that the number of people who think Jews run Hollywood is still too high. The ADL poll, he pointed out, showed that 59% of Americans think Hollywood execs “do not share the religious and moral values of most Americans,” and 43% think the entertainment industry is waging an organized campaign to “weaken the influence of religious values in this country.”

That’s a sinister canard, Foxman said. “It means they think Jews meet at Canter’s Deli on Friday mornings to decide what’s best for the Jews.” Foxman’s argument made me rethink: I have to eat at Canter’s more often.

“That’s a very dangerous phrase, ‘Jews control Hollywood.’ What is true is that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood,” he said. Instead of “control,” Foxman would prefer people say that many executives in the industry “happen to be Jewish,” as in “all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish.”