The organisation behind the Idol (Pachamama) disposal

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The new web site of the St Boniface Institute:

The St. Boniface Institute was founded to give Catholic laity the possibility to speak out. No to paganism in the Church! No to the globalist agenda in the Church! No to the ongoing destruction from within! From the heart of Europe, we want to fight for the restoration of our wonderful Catholic culture and traditions, for a church that follows our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!

http://www.bonifatius-institut.com/
 
I was going to reply, but as I could not write anything good, I just stopped.
 

This is a great interview with one of the men who did some research into the statue and did something about it.
 
I never like when these ‘organisations’ ask for donations but are very vague about what the donations are going towards.

They ask for donations via patreon and paypal, but as the Catholic News Agency points out, there is no explanation as to who or what exactly these donations are going to. We just have this vague information from the creators, that its to make it possible for laity to speak out, something they can do already as far as I am aware, unless they are trying to create some C of E style thing where canon law has to go through a board of laity in order to get passed.

The headquarters of this organisation are in Vienna, where the Austrian guy doing the interviews today is from. I wonder if these ‘headquarters’ are anything more than two friends who live in Vienna.
 
Dude look, I’ll be honest, I didn’t mind too much when Pachamama went for a swim, but if you think I’m going to send you money, you got another think coming.
 
From one of his interviews, it also turns out he is a convert, from Lutheranism.

Not saying that’s a bad thing, but why is it always the converts to Catholicism (Marshall, Voris, this guy etc.) that are trying to shake things up and teach us how bad the Catholic Church is? They always seem behave like they know better, like we should listen to them, not the corrupted church.

Are they better Catholics than we are, more ready to fight? Or is it in their nature to like to shake things up, as many of them used to follow a branch of Christianity that stemmed from a shaking up/split from the original church?
 
Voris isn’t a convert to Catholicism. He was a lukewarm cradle Catholic who was living a sinful lifestyle. His brother and mom died and he got a lot more devout, renounced his sinful ways, went back to church, etc.

I think converts or reverts or repented sinners in general value their Catholicism more because they had to actually take steps to be better Catholics and it is a more central part of their life. Having said that, I am also aware that a lot of these people like Marshall, Voris and many others are relying on being a Catholic author or pundit or media person for their livelihood, or a significant part of their livelihood. I’m cynical enough to think that sometimes they’re motivated to find a controversy and put themselves front and center, whereas someone who is not trying to promote their book, speaking tour, media website etc might just go quietly pray.
 
Ah. Activists. I though we had those in the 60s and that was the source of our current problems?
 
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many others are relying on being a Catholic author or pundit or media person for their livelihood, or a significant part of their livelihood
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as are the people who put CAF together and thus made these threads possible.
 
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I don’t think anyone is relying on CAF threads as a source of leadership in crisis
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No, the criticism was they are relying on their Catholicism as authors/pundits/media to make a living
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are relying on being a Catholic author or pundit or media person for their livelihood, or a significant part of their livelihood
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People hired by Catholic Answers (put website together, work on Catholic Live radio, etc) would also fit that description, not the mention people at EWTN.

The only alternative for such Catholics is apparently to not promote their website (e.g. CAF) and “go quietly pray”
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whereas someone who is not trying to promote their book, speaking tour, media website etc might just go quietly pray.
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People hired by Catholic Answers (put website together, work on Catholic Live radio, etc) would also fit that description, not the mention people at EWTN.

The only alternative for such Catholics is apparently to not promote their website (e.g. CAF) and “go quietly pray”

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I’m confused because none of us posting here works for CAF. I sure don’t.

The only time I read the rest of the site is when I want an answer to a question and some tract comes up.
 
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No to paganism in the Church! No to the globalist agenda in the Church! No to the ongoing destruction from within!
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I fully support these aims, but I wonder what they mean by them.

Do they oppose worship ad orientem, toward the rising of the Sun (god)? That is one aspect of paganism in the Church.

Do they support enculturation, like the creation of an “Amazon Rite”? What else could opposition to a “globalist agenda” possibly mean?

Will they rally around Pope Francis when he is attacked, as when vandals break into one of his churches? Do they even know what a willing religious submission to Papal teaching is? What else could prevent “destruction from within”?

They seem to be opposed to their own principles.
 
So it looks like Tschugguel put up another video today, where he answers some questions, such as

Why did you throw the idols in the river?
Did you just do this for recognition?

Of course many comments under this video are full of praise for his actions, calling him a role model.

Interesting however, that he did not address the issue of donations to this ‘institute’ he has established and what they will go to.

Some have said it’s for a potential court case, but if that’s true, should he not wait to see if he has to go to court first, before asking for donations for it?

One person commenting under the video said that Tschugguel has stated in one of his videos, that more details of what the money will go to, will be explained as the website is developed.

Huh? Do any of you know of a situation where somebody asking for donations, said ‘if you could please make some donations, that would be great. You will find out more about what the donations are going towards at a later date’.
 
It’s not that converts are more likely to shake things up. How often are cradle Catholics the ones in the spotlight? Look at the overwhelming majority of Apologists in the Catholic world. So of course there are out there converts

Most Protestants do not even consider themselves protestant, these days. They never are taught they came from Catholicism. They think their type of Christianity was always around. They do not consider themselves protesting anything.
 
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