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I know better than you, I left to return to Christ.
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Of course I do read the thread
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CWBetts
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I eat His flesh every week. I think the real reson you left is you got mad at something a priest or a bisop or the Pope said, and rther than submit to the Church founded by Christ you high tailed it out of there. That woulkd explain your arrogance and bitterness.
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TheQuestioner
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Jerome was not the final authority. That is why after the councils of carthage and hippo he accepted what the Church taught. This should say volumes more than what ever he wrote before the councils.
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What you saw in practice that drove you away from the Church does not mean the Church is evil. Remember Jesus said do what they say but do not do what they do. I am sorry you were driven away by the actions of certain individuals and i hope you return soon:thumbsup:
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Jerome wasn’t the final authority, nor were the two provincial councils of Hippo and Carthage. Even from a Catholic perspective they were only provincial councils.
Also, I don’t believe Jerome ever accepted the dc’s.
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This period exhibits a curious exchange of opinions between the West and the East, while ecclesiastical usage remained unchanged, at least in the Latin Church. During this intermediate age the use of St. Jerome’s new version of the Old Testament (the Vulgate) became widespread in the Occident. With its text went Jerome’s prefaces disparaging the deuterocanonicals, and under the influence of his authority **the West began to distrust these and to show the first symptoms of a current hostile to their canonicity. **
newadvent.org/cathen/03267a.htm
The New Catholic Encyclopedia points out,
“According to Catholic doctrine, the proximate criterion of the Biblical canon is the infallible decision of the Church. This decision was not given until rather late in the history of the Church (at the Council of Trent). Before that time there was some doubt about the canonicity of certain Biblical books, i.e., about their belonging to the canon.”
aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=1892
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historyb
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Such disillusion
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I wasn’t driven away by anyone, I was drawn out by ChristWhat you saw in practice that drove you away from the Church does not mean the Church is evil. Remember Jesus said do what they say but do not do what they do. I am sorry you were driven away by the actions of certain individuals and i hope you return soon:thumbsup:
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Cite
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CWBetts
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He won’t cite a reliable source. Hisalone is an anti-Catholic whose only desire is to draw people out of the Church
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Hisalone
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My desire is to show people the truth. The New Catholic Encylopedia print edition. If you follow the link.
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MercyMia
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This is one of those great posts where the Catholic-haters actually fortify my faith in the Catholic Church due to their total ignorance and inability to use facts for their argument.
The Catholic Church gave the world the bible, and now the fallen away have tried to rewrite history to say otherwise.
***I’d rather trust them then the church of Mary *** Come on, seriously, I would dare you to mock Jesus to his face if you could and say that to him. Will you mock him and call him the son of Mary? Because that’s what he is.
And you’re right, Jerome in and of himself was not the final authority, the CHURCH is. And you affirm that authority every time you read the words of the bible and proclaim them inspired. You do not have a bible without the Catholic Church. Period. There was no bible for almost 400 years. If you were alive then, what would you be basing your beliefs on? Think about that honestly.
You are like a rebellious child who denies the parents that raised him. You need to reconcile with God and his Church or you will always be filled with this mocking hate.
The Catholic Church gave the world the bible, and now the fallen away have tried to rewrite history to say otherwise.
***I’d rather trust them then the church of Mary *** Come on, seriously, I would dare you to mock Jesus to his face if you could and say that to him. Will you mock him and call him the son of Mary? Because that’s what he is.
And you’re right, Jerome in and of himself was not the final authority, the CHURCH is. And you affirm that authority every time you read the words of the bible and proclaim them inspired. You do not have a bible without the Catholic Church. Period. There was no bible for almost 400 years. If you were alive then, what would you be basing your beliefs on? Think about that honestly.
You are like a rebellious child who denies the parents that raised him. You need to reconcile with God and his Church or you will always be filled with this mocking hate.
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Hisalone
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I am not antiCatholic Im pro truth. Many times they are at odds so I side with truth.
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Hisalone
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The cannon was unsettled from the time of Jerome to Trent in Catholicism. Many, many Cathilic churchmen sided with Jerome. It was not until Trent that the matter was settled. Long after the Jews closed their cannon and after the Protestants closed their cannon.
You have violated your user agreement by attacking a fellow member.
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Originally posted by MercyMia
If you claim that you have a cannon, isn’t it odd that the Catholic Church arrived at the same conclusion about all the New Testament books 1000+ years before you did. Doesn’t that kind of tell you something? At what counsel did “Protestants” close their Cannon? Are you refering to Martin Luther…does that mean you extend infalibilty to him? BTW can you find a copy of the bible prior to the reformation that has a different cannon than the one the Catholic Church uses today? No you cannot. The Cannon did not change at Trent and that is proven by the fact that every single bible from the first one on is identical to the ones after Trent. Trent merely made a statment that the cannon was not changing. There is deception in stating otherwise.
No, it isn’t odd at all that we would arrive at the same conclusion, since we are all western Christians, sharing the same history prior to the 1500’s.
As a Lutheran, my attitiude is that since it was the practice of the Church up to and including Luther to include the d-c books, they ought to continue to appear in the Bible, at least as an appendix in a manner similar to Luther’s translation.
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If you claim that you have a cannon, isn’t it odd that the Catholic Church arrived at the same conclusion about all the New Testament books 1000+ years before you did. Doesn’t that kind of tell you something? At what counsel did “Protestants” close their Cannon? Are you refering to Martin Luther…does that mean you extend infalibilty to him? BTW can you find a copy of the bible prior to the reformation that has a different cannon than the one the Catholic Church uses today? No you cannot. The Cannon did not change at Trent and that is proven by the fact that every single bible from the first one on is identical to the ones after Trent. Trent merely made a statment that the cannon was not changing. There is deception in stating otherwise.
No, it isn’t odd at all that we would arrive at the same conclusion, since we are all western Christians, sharing the same history prior to the 1500’s.
There isn’t a “Protestant Church” to open or close anything. For Lutherans, technically the canon is not closed, though it is for all intent and purposes. I have no idea what other western Christian traditions have done regarding the canon.
As a Lutheran, my attitiude is that since it was the practice of the Church up to and including Luther to include the d-c books, they ought to continue to appear in the Bible, at least as an appendix in a manner similar to Luther’s translation.
Were there not variances in eastern (Orthodox) Bibles, also?
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Well the comment was three pages in and is by no means a record for the golden* “yea well at least I don’t worship Mary”* come back to be introduced. Even I was surprised to see Mary come up in this thread though. Is your position so fragile that you must lower yourself to such polemics? Or is a constructive dialog beyond your Christian charity?
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Cheap polemics come from all directions, and it simply hurts dialogue. There are many of us on both sides that can dialogue uncounted posts and never resort to this.Jon
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