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Dr. Colossus:
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roymckenzie:
I had heard that Mel Gibson said about Mulholland Drive , “I hate movies I can’t understand.”
Mel Gibson then goes on to produce The Passion .
So, what I’m saying is, we are faced with the same decision Mel was faced with: Do we reject *MD * in favor of The Passion ? Or do we reject The Passion in favor of MD ? Do we want a movie that remains a mystery, i.e. something more than us, like a person, or do we want a movie that remains just a movie?
If you’re asking about the first part of my post, I can only say that I am finding it very difficult to view MD in any other way than as the Word of God (Jesus, the Bible) disguised as a movie.
Mulholland Drive came out in October of 2001.
I had heard that Mel Gibson said about Mulholland Drive , “I hate movies I can’t understand.”
Mel Gibson then goes on to produce The Passion .
So, what I’m saying is, we are faced with the same decision Mel was faced with: Do we reject *MD * in favor of The Passion ? Or do we reject The Passion in favor of MD ? Do we want a movie that remains a mystery, i.e. something more than us, like a person, or do we want a movie that remains just a movie?
If you’re asking about the first part of my post, I can only say that I am finding it very difficult to view MD in any other way than as the Word of God (Jesus, the Bible) disguised as a movie.
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Defensor_Fidei
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As a cradle Catholic the whole movie was very painful, however I break down the worst when Peter falls at the feet of Mary. I have the DVD, I saw the movie in November 2003 before it was released in the theaters and then in the theater opening day. Even on the DVD that scene rips me every time. And it’s not Mary in that scene, but Peter’s confession.I had no idea there was such a nasty Protestant response to this…and I’m a protestant!!! In my experience with the movie, it was Mary who moved me the most. I was able to remain fairly stoic (with gritted teeth and a firm resolve not to carry on in a sobbing heap of some kind) until Mary did her stuff. And I was far too thick to pick up on the 'Marian references" until someone pointed them out to me.
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philipmarus
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One that sticks with me is John when Jesus is being nailed to cross. The look on John’s face when he looks down as Jesus is nailed to the cross gets to me every time.
All one has to do is look up the movie on Amazon and see some the truly poisonous reviews even by other christians. But Don’t waste your time.had no idea there was such a nasty Protestant response to this…and I’m a protestant!!! In my experience with the movie, it was Mary who moved me the most. I was able to remain fairly stoic (with gritted teeth and a firm resolve not to carry on in a sobbing heap of some kind) until Mary did her stuff. And I was far too thick to pick up on the 'Marian references" until someone pointed them out to me.
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Pace said:
You have officially entered the nonsense zone.
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philipmarus
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I’ve never even heard of this movie.
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roymckenzie
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Pace said:
My friend I love you.
I have read and re-read your post, my friend in simple English please I am not very smart, what are you saying?
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Curious
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Don’t worry. I won’t. And I was too thick to even think about looking up reviews on the movie. I decided my own review was quite sufficient.
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Pace
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I’m sorry. I sometimes have syntax problems in my writing.
Here are the basics:
We have the movie Mulholland Drive .
We have the movie The Passion of the Christ .
Each of these two movies seems to present to us a different philosophy.
These two philosophies seem diametrically opposed to one another:
*Mulholland Drive’s * philosophy is that there is something in, or outside, this universe that is greater than us (i.e. something that will always remain a mystery to us).
The Passion’s philosophy seems to not allow God to truly remain a mystery.
MD can be known (recognized) for what it truly is.
The Passion must be contrasted with MD to see clearly what it truly is.
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Mulholland Drive
A Film Review by James Berardinelli The film is drenched in atmosphere. That shouldn’t be a surprise. Credit the cinematography of Peter Deming and the score by Angelo Badalamenti. Mulholland Drive is filled with its share of “Twin Peaks”-ish moments. But, after a promising start and an engaging midsection, there’s the third act to deal with. And it’s not a pretty sight. Lynch cheats his audience, pulling the rug out from under us. He throws everything into the mix with the lone goal of confusing us. Nothing makes any sense because it’s not supposed to make any sense. There’s no purpose or logic to events. Lynch is playing a big practical joke on us. He takes characters we have come to care about and obscures their fates in gibberish. Some people will undoubtedly decide this is all very deep and will find hidden meanings in everything, but they’re giving Lynch too much credit. This is not good filmmaking; it’s immature and wasteful.
A Film Review by James Berardinelli The film is drenched in atmosphere. That shouldn’t be a surprise. Credit the cinematography of Peter Deming and the score by Angelo Badalamenti. Mulholland Drive is filled with its share of “Twin Peaks”-ish moments. But, after a promising start and an engaging midsection, there’s the third act to deal with. And it’s not a pretty sight. Lynch cheats his audience, pulling the rug out from under us. He throws everything into the mix with the lone goal of confusing us. Nothing makes any sense because it’s not supposed to make any sense. There’s no purpose or logic to events. Lynch is playing a big practical joke on us. He takes characters we have come to care about and obscures their fates in gibberish. Some people will undoubtedly decide this is all very deep and will find hidden meanings in everything, but they’re giving Lynch too much credit. This is not good filmmaking; it’s immature and wasteful.
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Pace said:
My friend I tried to follow your link but it does not seem like a good one could you please repost?
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I just saw The Passion for the first time. I was too chicken to see it when it was in the theater. My mom lent me the DVD but it sat on my shelf for months while I tried to screw up my courage to view it. I have little capacity for visual violence and I was afraid to watch it. (I nearly fainted once during a sermon about the crucifixion.)
But I finally decided that I’d never feel ready to watch it, and so last Saturday I just sat down and did it. I am so glad I did. It was difficult, but not as hard as I feared.
I think that the reason that many people, especially movie critics, did not like The Passion was that it is not really a movie in the conventional sense. It is a meditation on the passion of Christ using a medium (film) that speaks strongly to modern man who is now more oriented to the visual.
Kind of like a stained glass window for the 21st century.
It is interesting to read here about the hostile response that the movie has had from some non-Catholics. My brother is a minister for Church of the Bretheren. I am told that when my sister asked him if he’d seen the Passion he replied, “We chose not to.” My mom was wondering if that was because of the strongly Catholic eucharistic and Marian imagery.
I don’t know. Some stongly Baptist friends loved The Passion – the Catholic imagery seemed to go over their heads.
But I finally decided that I’d never feel ready to watch it, and so last Saturday I just sat down and did it. I am so glad I did. It was difficult, but not as hard as I feared.
I think that the reason that many people, especially movie critics, did not like The Passion was that it is not really a movie in the conventional sense. It is a meditation on the passion of Christ using a medium (film) that speaks strongly to modern man who is now more oriented to the visual.
Kind of like a stained glass window for the 21st century.
It is interesting to read here about the hostile response that the movie has had from some non-Catholics. My brother is a minister for Church of the Bretheren. I am told that when my sister asked him if he’d seen the Passion he replied, “We chose not to.” My mom was wondering if that was because of the strongly Catholic eucharistic and Marian imagery.
I don’t know. Some stongly Baptist friends loved The Passion – the Catholic imagery seemed to go over their heads.
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roymckenzie
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Mary my friend, I have to agree with you, it is note a mere movie. For me it was an experience, it was the best opportunity I have had to be in, to live in and to understand the sorrowful mysteries.
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Pace
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roy,My friend I tried to follow your link but it does not seem like a good one could you please repost?
It is working fine for me. Are you still having problems with it? It’s a review that I thought would be a good answer to the type of attitude that was shown in the review that Mat 16_18 posted. The name of the site where the review is located is called The Matthew’s House Project . The author of the review is M. Leary.
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Matt16_18 said:
His life is drenched in atmosphere. That shouldn’t be a surprise. Consider the sights and sounds of nature that his father provided. His simple life at this point is filled with moments of intense excitement. But, after a promising start and an engaging mid-section, there’s the third act to deal with. And it’s not a pretty sight. Jesus cheats his audience, pulling the rug out from under us. He throws everything into the mix with the lone goal of confusing us. Nothing makes any sense because it’s not meant to make any sense. There’s no purpose or logic to events. Jesus is playing a big practical joke on us. He takes characters we have come to care about and - just when the sought-after perfect unity is about to be reached - abandons them by entering into his passion. Some people will undoubtedly decide this is all very deep and will find hidden meanings in everything, but they’re giving Jesus too much credit. His life was a waste of time.
If only he would have come down from his cross…
(This is not meant to criticize the review or Matt16_18 for posting it here, but only to point out an attitude implicit within the review that we might not have recognized at first glance.)
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Matt16_18
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This is a quote from the review you posted: “Lynch … toys with well established viewer expectation. We keep searching in every nook and cranny of these strange houses he builds for crumbs of wisdom, and we find none.”
Exactly right. No wisdom to be found.
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roymckenzie
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I am obviously lacking something, maybe I have an inferior mental capacity. I have looked in a number of places on the net and spoken with friends at the office that have seen the movie and no one other than you can give me any correlation to Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of Christ” I feel really stupid at this point.
”Mulholland Drive” by M. Leary:
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We may be living in ‘interesting times’, but the movie The Passion of the Christ was made because Mel Gibson wanted to spend $30 million of his own money to make it.
Let’s see how his next religious movie on the Maccabees turns out?
Let’s see how his next religious movie on the Maccabees turns out?
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