The Place of a woman?

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IF men would do what God created them to do, it would be a different story altogether. Why have you abdicated your responsibility as head of household and spiritual leader of the family? Why do you wimp out and let your woman do it all? I didn’t want to be the boss, but I was forced into it. It’s not what I do best. It’s not what God wanted, but guess what…I had to do it because my husband wouldn’t. If you lead, I will follow, as long as you don’t lead me into a burning building or off a cliff. There is a scripture, and I sure wish I had the chapter and verse memorized, that says whatever a wife does, God will ask the husband what he did or didn’t do to cause it to happen. You are responsible for us and you let us down. Sounds awful, I know. IMHO women’s lib was a mistake of major proportions.
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Hold on there sister! Not all men abdicated their role. You and I agree that women’s lib was a mistake. You know, it would be interesting to see what sorts of groups lobbied for no-fault divorce. I seem to recall that this was sold as a women’s rights thing. That by making divorce easier, women’s lives would improve, because they could just walk out on any abusive man.
What do you men want? What would it take to get you to step up to the plate and LEAD like you’re supposed to? I’m listening…
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Start appreciating leadership roles. And it starts with boyhood. Let your young boys hear good words from your mouth about your political and religious leaders. Let your sons hear you say admirable things about your husbands.
 
Consider the story of Martha and Mary. Mary ended up “sitting at the Lord’s feet listening to his words.” Martha did not make a bad choice by being concerned about “the details of hospitality” but Mary chose the better portion and was not denied it.

What is a woman’s place? sitting at the Lord’s feet listening to his words - same as any man’s place who seeks God’s kingdom.

Now any man or woman must get up from their sitting position and take their place in the world, which may be any number of places. It will be the right place if they have clearly heard God’s word and if they are committed to following it.

I know those are pretty big ifs. (Size 6 on this font list.)
The more time we spend listening to God’s word and praying for the strength to follow it, the more likely we are to find the right place.

I wonder what Mary, Martha’s sister, did when she got up…

peace

Jim
 
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deb1:
Intellectually, we can do **anything **that men can do. It is in bodily strength that we differ. Physically most men are stronger then most women with a few rare exceptions.

Personally I don’t see what is wrong with a woman saying that she can do everything that a man can do, as long as she doesn’t mean body strength.
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This I would have to disagree with.

There are many mental abilities that women poses that are superior to men and there are many mental abilities that men poses that are superior to women.

Mentally speaking…

Logic and the ability to focus is a trait that men have an abundance of. Hence the natural role of a provider.

strong emotion and the ability to mulit-task are mental traits that women have. Hence the natural role of a nurturer (raising childern)

It is just a fact that we are different physically, mentally, and spirtually.

We compliment each other in every way. This in NO way implies that one sex is inferior or the victim of the other -that truth is self evident as part of Gods creation.

The equality between us exists in a complimentary nature and is founded in differences derived from our physical, mental, and spirtual existance.

Let me give you something to think about

As a sprit alone without a physical body what traits define a woman and what traits define a man?

When we die we will still be men and women.

That is a very interesting concept. It causes us to think about the the nature of Gods loving creation.

If you think that we are only different physically then you have lost perspective on Gods creation.
 
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luvmykids:
I completely agree with everything you said and fully believe myself that a woman’s place is in the home, but it is hard for us to live this way now. I am blessed to be able to do it, but not everyone is, depending on their circumstance. And like you said, it will be hard to undo. The family dynamic in this society is completely messed up. Women aren’t being women and men aren’t being men. Thus the push now for same sex marriage. Men don’t need women and women don’t need men anymore. Or so they think.
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With refference to my previous post, what do you think the “place” of a woman would be in the kindom of God?

the place of men and women is clearly defined when we have the chance to be perfect mothers and perfect fathers.
 
Marriage is a universal law.

Marriage is a duly-recognized covenant relationship entered into by a single man and a single woman.

Marriage lasts until one spouse dies.

Being divorced is not necessarily sin. (If I divorce my wife, I sin but she doesn’t, unless she agrees to the divorce. If my wife divorces me, she sins but I don’t, unless I agree to the divorce.)
 
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luvmykids:
This is not being said in a way that is meant to be an insult in any way, but I think you may be a little naive on that subject, because all three of those things were done by this man. He went to Church, claimed to have a strong faith, and prayed. Was secretly into porn and eventually cheated. I don’t think those things can ensure that you will be married forever, because we are humans and we all fall.
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THE FACT IS YOU ARE MARRIED FOREVER!

“Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly” (John 4:16-18).

" What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery" (Mark 10:6-12).
 
everyone here really needs to get the fact in their head that when you get married you will always be married to that person.

Even if they kill your childern and cheat on you.

YOU ARE STILL MARRIED.
 
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JamesG:
everyone here really needs to get the fact in their head that when you get married you will always be married to that person.

Even if they kill your childern and cheat on you.

YOU ARE STILL MARRIED.
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Right. And you are supposed to forgive. But forgiveness does not imply reconciliation. I don’t think if a man is abusing you and continues to abuse you that you have to stay in the same household with him until he beats you to death.

Or vice versa. If a woman is emotionally abusing you, you don’t have to take it until you commit suicide.
 
Kind of funny how Hollywood portrays men as being afraid of commitment, yet on this board it appears that the ones afraid of commitment are women.
 
think about this…

think about all the evil that was done to christ. Think about all the evil is STILL being done to christ.

Is this any cause for christ to abandon us? Is this any cause for christ no stop loving us?

NO it is not

Likewise there is no cause for you to abandon your wife or husband because of their evils.

If you are hurt by the evil of your spouse then you are called to be like christ.

Remember that it is when we are in need and in poverty that we are most christ like.
 
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precious_roy:
Right. And you are supposed to forgive. But forgiveness does not imply reconciliation. I don’t think if a man is abusing you and continues to abuse you that you have to stay in the same household with him until he beats you to death.

Or vice versa. If a woman is emotionally abusing you, you don’t have to take it until you commit suicide.
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Forgiveness ALWAYS implies reconciliation. it always implies it because forgiveness is something that comes directly from Christ.

When you forgive someone or you pray for those that have wronged you reconcile sin IN HEAVEN and you do it right in front of the thone of God.

The only household you need stay within is the household of God. If you stay in that household you won’t ever commit suicide.

Showing true love means one thing only.

You must be willing to die for that person. Christ gave you this. He gave his life for you so that you would realize how pure the love of God is.
 
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JamesG:
think about this…

think about all the evil that was done to christ. Think about all the evil is STILL being done to christ.

Is this any cause for christ to abandon us? Is this any cause for christ no stop loving us?

NO it is not

Likewise there is no cause for you to abandon your wife or husband because of their evils.

If you are hurt by the evil of your spouse then you are called to be like christ.

Remember that it is when we are in need and in poverty that we are most christ like.
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Good point. But I never said abandon them. I just said that you don’t have to physically be around them. I would file this under Prudence.

There are many ways to help a person that you can no longer be around all the time or will never be around again.
 
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JamesG:
Forgiveness ALWAYS implies reconciliation. it always implies it because forgiveness is something that comes directly from Christ.

When you forgive someone or you pray for those that have wronged you reconcile sin IN HEAVEN and you do it right in front of the thone of God.
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Ok, my fault. Your interpretation of reconciliation and mine are different. If you count praying for someone as reconciliation, then yes. I meant physically reconciling so that you are ‘best-of-buds’ again, which is not always possible.
 
We are like a circuit board and each of us is like a switch on that board.

God is like the electricity that flows throw through us all.

You can either chose to let the light of God shine on to that husband or wife that has wronged you or you can live up the oath that you gave to God when you god married.

Marriage is like saying to God, I promise to always keep your love for my husband or wife flowing in his/her direction. Even if he/she shuts it off in my direction I will let your truth and love be known.

Why are there so many people today you don’t understand that an Oath to God means?

(btw, that analogy is something recently read in a book from mother Teresa)
 
JamesG said:
Forgiveness ALWAYS implies reconciliation. it always implies it because forgiveness is something that comes directly from Christ.

When you forgive someone or you pray for those that have wronged you reconcile sin IN HEAVEN and you do it right in front of the thone of God.
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I agree that you reconcile yourself with God (“IN HEAVEN”) when you forgive someone, because how can one enter heaven with unforgiveness in their heart?
The only household you need stay within is the household of God. If you stay in that household you won’t ever commit suicide.
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In a transcendent spiritual sense; and yes, one would never be lead to despair in God’s household.
Showing true love means one thing only.

You must be willing to die for that person. Christ gave you this. He gave his life for you so that you would realize how pure the love of God is.
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Are you suggesting that a spouse must “bewilling to die for that person” at the hands of an abusive (physicallly, emotionally abusive), unrepentant spouse? Not always advisable for survival sake.
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precious_roy:
Ok, my fault. Your interpretation of reconciliation and mine are different. If you count praying for someone as reconciliation, then yes. I meant physically reconciling so that you are ‘best-of-buds’ again, which is not always possible.
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It doesn’t always have to be possible. Furthermore, how can you predict the future. How do you know that God will not grant such a thing to you and your husband if that happened?

Again you must look at your life as a path. Your husband is always going to be on that path. Even if he waits until the very end of his journy to be “good friends” again then so be it. Let Christ and the holy spirt do its work.

When you have faith you have patience. There is no need to worry.
 
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JamesG:
THE FACT IS YOU ARE MARRIED FOREVER!

“Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly” (John 4:16-18).

" What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery" (Mark 10:6-12).
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I understand that you are married forever. I am sorry if I misworded it, but even so, that doesn’t mean that you will be together physically. When your husband bails on you and you are left with the children, and no way to support yourself, being married in the eyes of God doesn’t help the situation itself or change the fact that your husband is with someone else.
 
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JamesG:
everyone here really needs to get the fact in their head that when you get married you will always be married to that person.

Even if they kill your childern and cheat on you.

YOU ARE STILL MARRIED.
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Well know that is not always true…otherwise NOT a single annulment would be granted 🙂
 
Black Jaque:
Kind of funny how Hollywood portrays men as being afraid of commitment, yet on this board it appears that the ones afraid of commitment are women.
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The reason that I did not marry my hubby for nearly two years is because I witnessed my mother marrying and divorcing six different times!!:mad: Talk about fear! I have been happily married for 18 years but in all honesty, I doubt that I would remarry if something happened to my hubby. My fear comes from my upbringing though and probably has no relation to my gender.
 
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