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gilliam
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No, Mike, it is not evidently wrong. It is absolutely wrong to force people to accept a faith. It is a sin against religion. That is just one of the many heresies in Islam.
The Pope’s Words : Pope owes Muslims a “deep and persuasive apology”
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MikeWM
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Eh?
Evidently (dictonary.com)
- Obviously; clearly.
- According to the evidence available: The stranger approached the microphone, evidently intending to speak.
I’m not sure why you think I’m disagreeing with you
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grotto
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** I Think The Emperor Got It Right!!**
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Maverick
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Seeing the results of this poll makes me proud. Just as I am proud of the Pope.
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elijahson
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In all due respect, dear friend, please stop extracting teeth from the gums of Truth. While it was not the intention of the Holy Father to insult anyone, He spoke the truth even if quoting the 14th Century monarch. To prove their love of reason and tolerance, the disciples of Mohammed killed a Sister, burned effigies of the Holy Father and denounced with hate the one who holds the keys.
It is about time we prepared ourselves for the conflict of light and darkness here in the 21st century. To take the “moral high ground” of politcal correctness and relativisation of the truth, is never an answer. Was Jesus wrong in calling the Pharisees “broods of vipers” “white washed sepulchres” and the like? We Americans cannot get over the fact the eternal Truth is not voted into office democratically.
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b_justb
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Easy does it there, e-son. Gilliam was quoting a news source. If you’re taking the source to task, that’d be the NY Times not Gilliam.
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elijahson
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My apologies Gilliam…that is what happens when you read with your heart and not with your head! i will forward this to the source…thanks for pointing it out to me…again please forgive me…
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Deus_Vult
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Emperor Manual II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire only spoke what was true. And is still proving to be true in lands run by orthodox Islam, which are free of Western influence. The Byzantine Empire and other neighboring areas were conquered by the followers of Islam, in the name of Islam. The only thing that prevented that from happening sooner, The Crusades! And those Crusades were initiated to defend against the radical Islamic threat of that period.
Pope Benedict may not be attributing the words himself, but he’s made it clear he is fully aware of the history of things done in the name of “Allah”. And now Muslim leaders are fuming. Calling his words “hostile”. The words were TRUTHFUL. Muhammad took by the sword and across the Middle East, Europe, Africa and Asia we see similar activity today. What can’t be obtained by it being given to them, followers of Muhammad’s own teachings from the later part of his life, are obtaining via their own form of the sword, the bomb!
Muhammad told them they would get higher in heaven if they die in battle and they are going for it. They don’t want the freedom brought to Afghanistan or Iraq. They want the rule that has enabled them to ruin territory and abuse women around the world.
Pope Benedict may not be attributing the words himself, but he’s made it clear he is fully aware of the history of things done in the name of “Allah”. And now Muslim leaders are fuming. Calling his words “hostile”. The words were TRUTHFUL. Muhammad took by the sword and across the Middle East, Europe, Africa and Asia we see similar activity today. What can’t be obtained by it being given to them, followers of Muhammad’s own teachings from the later part of his life, are obtaining via their own form of the sword, the bomb!
Muhammad told them they would get higher in heaven if they die in battle and they are going for it. They don’t want the freedom brought to Afghanistan or Iraq. They want the rule that has enabled them to ruin territory and abuse women around the world.
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Richardols
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No, it was his opinion.
Huh? What country in the world is run by orthodox Islam and is free of Western influence? I can’t think of a single one, not even Saudi Arabia.
“May not” is incorrect. His talk and the subsequent Vatican explanation makes it clear that he is NOT attributing the words himself.
Err…what religion do the Afghanis and Iraqis follow? It is Islam. You are saying that the Moslems of those two countries don’t want freedom? It doesn’t make sense.
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CarolAnnSFO
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The Pope has nothing to apologize for. Even if he did offer a “deep and persuasive” apology (the thought of it makes me gag), what makes anyone think that would be enough? The only “apology” that will satisfy the radical Muslim elements is for all non-Muslims to convert to Islam or die. Anybody here ready to do that?
I’m still waiting for the apologies for all the innocent people burned, bombed, decapitated, etc. by the so-called “peaceful” ones. I think I’ll be waiting a long time.
And I agree that prayer is needed.
Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host - by the Divine Power of God - cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits, who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen.
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Deus_Vult
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Err…what religion do the Afghanis and Iraqis follow? It is Islam. You are saying that the Moslems of those two countries don’t want freedom? It doesn’t make sense.]
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Richardols
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1, Read Robert Bay’s top-of-the-the-page admonition about using inflammatory pejoratives like “islamofascist.”
- Read the Fascist Manifesto and see whether or not Islamists fit the profile of those who supported that political and economic position. There is, quite simply, nothing that is Fascist about ‘‘Islamofascism’’, as even a brief perusal of the Manifesto of the Fascist Struggle will conclusively demonstrate. For example, one rather doubts that the imams would stand for ‘‘The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations …’’
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Deus_Vult
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Oooops I’m sorry I forgot Socialists like to keep the word fascist for themselves. I will try to remember that in the future. I am not familiar with Robert Bay please enlighten me.
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MamaSue
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No, no and um, NO!!! :nope: The Lord didn’t care when he offended the jewish leaders. The truth is the truth. Relitivism is just going to have to get over it’s self!! The muslims, well can anyone say bring back the militant orders? 
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Richardols
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He is one of the moderators of this Forum, and you do well to follow the rules that he posts.
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jp4
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foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214318,00.html
It doesn’t matter anyway, we are all doomed.
“… We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose head tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (killed by) the sword.”
I’m being a little facetious.
I think the Pope was correct in his speach. Sometimes this truth is well… the truth.
JP
It doesn’t matter anyway, we are all doomed.
“… We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose head tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (killed by) the sword.”
I’m being a little facetious.
I think the Pope was correct in his speach. Sometimes this truth is well… the truth.
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Deus_Vult
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It has been a while since I have been on the forum thank you Richardols for the update…this is what I found.
“At the Catholic Answers Forums we avoid terms that are derogatory to groups of people. Terms of derision, derogatory remarks, baiting, and inflammatory statements are prohibited. Islamofascist and Islamic fascist are terms which are in dispute and generally considered derogatory. Instead of using these terms, please use Islamic terrorists or terrorists”.
Robert Bay
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Richardols
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That’s the term George Bush and Pope JPII used, but I think that Moslem is the appropriate term for the adherents of the faith, and Islamist or Islamist Fundamentalist as the proper term for those who pervert the faith to their own evil ends.It has been a while since I have been on the forum thank you Richardols for the update…this is what I found.
“At the Catholic Answers Forums we avoid terms that are derogatory to groups of people. Terms of derision, derogatory remarks, baiting, and inflammatory statements are prohibited. Islamofascist and Islamic fascist are terms which are in dispute and generally considered derogatory. Instead of using these terms, please use Islamic terrorists or terrorists”.
Robert Bay
Would you prefer practitoners of the religion of peace
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Deus_Vult
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We don’t want to have anyone burning an effigy of me because I am insensitive! :banghead:
foxnews.com/images/root_images/091806_pope_protest_pakista.jpg
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Contarini
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Well, that really doesn’t matter. The question is: were the Pope’s remarks wrong? If they were wrong or badly stated, he should apologize. I think there’s some case for him apologizing for not making his statement clearer. But if he does this he should reiterate the substance of his remarks in a clearer and even more incisive way, asking Islamic theologians to take up his challenge and articulate a rejection of religious violence on the grounds of the relationship between reason and God’s nature. If they can’t do that, then they have proven that he has a point. He should not back down from this basic challenge, whatever else he says. Someone needs to throw down the gauntlet instead of endlessly whitewashing Islam, and the Pope’s the best person to do it. May God bless him!
Edwin
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