The Pope and The Witch-Activism Alert

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I haven’t decided what I’m going to do, but I may take Scott’s advice, and talk to my Dad and my aunt (both U of M alumni). Maybe I’ll call the U tomorrow? I live nearby, but with my work schedule I’m not sure I could make it up there. I wonder if it would be possible to get a deluge of emails to the president. If even half the regulars on this board all emailed, that would pack a punch.

I love Minnesota, but unfortunately we are the home of the late Sen. Paul Wellstone, Al Franken, etc- this is just par for the course. Makes me ill.

Becka
 
Why did this post die?? The voices of many can accomplish great things, lets demonstrate!

The president of UMn is Robert Bruininks, and his email address is UPres@umn.edu and his phone number is (612) 626-1616.

Becka
 
That you can do a thing, does not mean you should do a thing!

If the U of M were to put on a play that impugns the dignity of the Jewish or Muslim religions, they would have already lost buildings due to fire bombings. Obviously, Catholics will not do such things, however neither shall we stand idly by while they plan to put on such tripe.
I’m not sure of your meaning here. I don’t think that society should succumb to the protests of a minority (revolutionary islamists, for example), especially when violence is threatened. I would support the right of a neo-nazi’s freedom of speech, and I would support a Greenpeace activist’s freedom of speech.

Society, I think, should draw the line when fringe groups (like violent religious groups) threaten violence and meet them head on. Our society is based (in part) on open expression, and I think that freedom is sacred - sacred enough to fight for (along with freedom of religion, freedom of the press, etc.).

Oops. Got off track. Sorry.

Also, if you protest, that’s just free publicity for the play. How many people would have heard of the “Last Temptation of Christ” if there hadn’t of been the uproar about it?
 
cheese_sdc:

I don’t think that we should let the fear of giving the U free publicity by complaining should deter us from complaining. I think anti-Catholicism has enjoyed a free ride for a long time (way too long) because too many of us just sit around and let it go.

The U may have the “right” to stage the play but I have the “right” to protest it. Especially, given the fact that my tax dollars are helping to pay for the production.
 
One pedophile priest does a million times the damage to the Church of this kind of stuff, which is seen by an tiny audience that probably hates the Church and the Pope already.

How many who would complain to the UM about the play took the time to write to their bishops to state concern about the damage done by protecting priestly perverts?
 
How many who would complain to the UM about the play took the time to write to their bishops to state concern about the damage done by protecting priestly perverts?
DWPC: I did.
 
One pedophile priest does a million times the damage to the Church of this kind of stuff, which is seen by an tiny audience that probably hates the Church and the Pope already.

How many who would complain to the UM about the play took the time to write to their bishops to state concern about the damage done by protecting priestly perverts?
There are multiple issues that warrant our attention, and responses. The pedophile priest issue is a huge one, but it does not negate the fact that a taxpayer-funded university is promoting trash such as ‘the Pope and the Witch’.

Besides- I once considered myself anti-Catholic, and not at all a fan of the Pope. People can change!

Becka
 
One pedophile priest does a million times the damage to the Church of this kind of stuff, which is seen by an tiny audience that probably hates the Church and the Pope already.

How many who would complain to the UM about the play took the time to write to their bishops to state concern about the damage done by protecting priestly perverts?
It is not an either/or thing.
 
Maybe, but it’s not a far step from saying “My interpretation of God’s will is the only valid interpretation” to saying that I will enforce my interpretation with force.

Force doesn’t necessarily mean direct action. It could be laws, regulations, boycotts, whatever.
If this thing were anti-Black, would you not expect Blacks to picket, boycott and so on? If it were anti-semitic, would not Jews picket, boycott and so on?

Are Catholics the only minority not entitled to speak out against bigotry?
 
Also, if you protest, that’s just free publicity for the play. How many people would have heard of the “Last Temptation of Christ” if there hadn’t of been the uproar about it?
Ah, yes…“The Last Temptation.” One of those movies everyone has heard of, but few bothered to actually see. It was a box-office dud and barely turned a profit.

$7,000,000 - Total Budget (estimated)
401,211 - Opening Weekend Boxoffice 8/17/88
8,373,585 - Total Gross: (USA)
$1,373,585 - Total Profit (USA)

Source: IMDb

Not exactly “boffo” boxoffice. Three things kept audiences away:
  1. Protests
  2. Bad reviews from secular critics
  3. Bad word-of-mouth from the five people who actually managed not to fall asleep while watching hammy New York actors playing middle-eastern, first century Jews with Brooklyn accents in an overly long an dull art-house film from a mainstream director who **still **hasn’t managed to take home an Academy Award. :rolleyes:
It is a myth that protests only “give free publicity.” Protests work: tfp.org/index.html
 
Thanks for that link Chick. I would add that even if a protest did generate business for the offending film, play, etc. it would still be perfectly acceptable to protest it. It is an opportunity for witness to the truth as well as a chance for teaching. Our job is Truth, not effectiveness. Opus Dei was criticized for not answering objections and accused of being secretive. Opus Dei did come out and speak regarding The DaVinci Code and some want to complain that they are calling attention to the flick. Since it is a no-win situation, one might as well just go for it.

Scott
 
If this thing were anti-Black, would you not expect Blacks to picket, boycott and so on? If it were anti-semitic, would not Jews picket, boycott and so on?

Are Catholics the only minority not entitled to speak out against bigotry?
You are free to protest, as I’ve said before. I do not want anyone’s freedom of speech infringed.

What I would not want to see is the University bullied into not showing this play because of a vocal minority (or even a vocal majority). That would be wrong.
 
I sent in my complaint. I am never silent when my Church and Pope are being slandered. Silence can say a lot.

I really get tired of all this "politically correct " nonsense when its all double standards. It’s been open season against Catholics for way too long and too many just turn away and say this isn’t a very important battle.

We all need to let the media and so called entertainment be aware that it’s not okay. Holy Boldness is the way many a Saint went.
 
I would like to provide some clarification here by way of some facts surrounding the subject.

Here is a quote from Bruinicks:

*“The University of Minnesota is committed to establishing and nurturing an environment that actively acknowledges and values a very broad diversity of points of view that are free from racism, sexism, and other forms of prejudice, intolerance and harassment,” wrote Bruininks *

Here is the info from the U of M - the description of the play:
  • In the Piazza San Pietro thousands of hungry children, the fruits of the Pope’s birth control doctrine, are crying for food. Meanwile he contends with assassination attempts, Mafiosi, drug dealers, sinister bankers, and inept cardinals. Fo’s point is that it is easy for a rich church to rage against abortion when millions are born into poverty, and become victims of the drug trade, from which people uder the Vatican’s protetion can fill their pockets." *
events.tc.umn.edu/event.xml

How, exactly, can the two above contrasts be reconciled? Simple…they can’t. The U’s description alone is an attack upon our faith and our beliefs.

As far as the token strawman argument about pedophilia or homosexuality and abuse among priests…that is not a part of this conversation and the facts surrounding that do not in any way negate our duty as Catholics to defend our faith.

Cheese, this question is directed to you, as you referenced “bullying”. What do you think of the ACLU"s tactics? Do you support them or condemn them? They bully people into paying them, cowtowing to them, and acquiescing to every demand to avoid the enormous lawsuit and court fees…which the victim STILL has to pay…and give up their own rights to free speech surrounding Christianity.

There is a larger issue here than this play alone…it is the fact that for too long we (Catholics) have remained silent for too long as the ACLU and other like-minded groups have been stripping God from our society, and in the meantime they denigrate our faith and tell us that the Church is “big enough to take it”.

The fact that we are protesting this play does NOT constitute bullying…it rather is our Constitutional right to DEMAND that our religion be respected as much as Islam, or Wicca, or any other politically popular faith. (I really use the term “respect” loosely here…God only knows that our society has no respect in general other than the individual “truth”) :rolleyes:

If the U of M shuts down this show, it will be a victory, for in other places, protests of this play have NOT resulted in its being shut down. It’s time that the “good guys” win one. After all…Athiests and the ACLU win all the time…why not us? Why are we bullies if we stand up for ourselves, but if other groups do it they are “protecting free speech?”

Can anyone explain this to me?
 
Sorrows comment reminded me of when I was writing a paper on Christians during the Holocaust. I came across a poem written by a pastor during the Holocaust, and I think it speaks volumes.

*First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

–Pastor Martin Niemöller *

Becka
 
People have a right to express their opinions, no matter how hateful and disgusting they may be.

But they don’t have a right to be subsizided by the taxpayer when they do it. The University of Minnesota is a state university, paid for by the taxpayers.

Let those who want to put this mess on find a privately-owned stage.
 
You are free to protest, as I’ve said before. I do not want anyone’s freedom of speech infringed.

What I would not want to see is the University bullied into not showing this play because of a vocal minority (or even a vocal majority). That would be wrong.
It’s not bullying and it would not be wrong. Free speech does not equal entitlement to a venue.
 
It’s not bullying and it would not be wrong. Free speech does not equal entitlement to a venue.
Who gets to decide what is decent and what is not? Big Brother? I will stay away from that one.
 
So instead of just not going, you have to be a thorn in the side of people who do?
 
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