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vern_humphrey
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Ah, so when the state has already made up its mind to sponsor religious persecution at taxpayer expense, that means we have to sit and take it?
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mlchance
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They have a legal right, but not a moral one. No one has a moral right to what is wrong.You are correct and I agree with you. The U of MN has the right to stage whatever they please…
– Mark L. Chance.
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vern_humphrey
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If they were a private school, yes. But as a government school, this is an example of state-sponsored religious persecution – and that’s unconstitutional.They have a legal right, but not a moral one. No one has a moral right to what is wrong.
– Mark L. Chance.
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Liberalsaved
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No it isn’t. They aren’t preventing you from worshipping. Just because you have the right to your religion doesn’t mean you have the right to shut things down that disagree with you.If they were a private school, yes. But as a government school, this is an example of state-sponsored religious persecution – and that’s unconstitutional.
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cheese_sdc
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I hardly think that the production of a play which supports a viewpoint you disagree with qualifies as religious persecution.Ah, so when the state has already made up its mind to sponsor religious persecution at taxpayer expense, that means we have to sit and take it?
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vern_humphrey
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So if the play portrayed Jews as rats (as Nazi propaganda did) or Blacks as lazy and immoral, that would be okay – because it didn’t prevent them from worshiping?No it isn’t. They aren’t preventing you from worshipping. Just because you have the right to your religion doesn’t mean you have the right to shut things down that disagree with you.
No, a play like that would be seen for what it was, anti-Semitism or racial bigotry. And it would not be tolerated in a government-funded institution.
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bones_IV
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What you said is a perfect example of how the Light shown in the darkness, but the darkness didn’t comprehend it. It says on the American Dollar, “In God we Trust”. It might as well say “In the American Dollar we Trust.”I hardly think that the production of a play which supports a viewpoint you disagree with qualifies as religious persecution.
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Liberalsaved
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I don’t see all copies of “Birth of a Nation” getting destroyed. In fact wasn’t it brought under the protection of the National FIlm Preservation project, or whatever they call it?So if the play portrayed Jews as rats (as Nazi propaganda did) or Blacks as lazy and immoral, that would be okay – because it didn’t prevent them from worshiping?
No, a play like that would be seen for what it was, anti-Semitism or racial bigotry. And it would not be tolerated in a government-funded institution.
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vern_humphrey
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You keep confusing government sponsorship with private acts, and now with historical preservation. We even preserve the records of slave markets – but we don’t auction slaves on the Mall, nor do we show “Birth of a Nation” as a training film at West Point.I don’t see all copies of “Birth of a Nation” getting destroyed. In fact wasn’t it brought under the protection of the National FIlm Preservation project, or whatever they call it?
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bones_IV
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Liberalsaved, let’s not confuse apples w/ oranges.
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Liberalsaved
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I’m not. Governments can’t always support only projects that agree with everyone. I’m certain if you had access to records of things supported by our government, you’d find plenty of things throughout our history that were done from a Catholic point, or were at odds with Muslims or Jews or what have you.Liberalsaved, let’s not confuse apples w/ oranges.
At any rate, even if a University is state-run, the state does not control how they use the funds.
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cheese_sdc
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???What you said is a perfect example of how the Light shown in the darkness, but the darkness didn’t comprehend it. It says on the American Dollar, “In God we Trust”. It might as well say “In the American Dollar we Trust.”
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Gottle_of_Geer
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Because the law of God supercedes the law of man.
Why should that matter to anybody who doesn’t share a theistic world view though ?
Besides, how does this differ from Catholicisation by the back door ? Most people couldn’t give a monkey’s for the CC - otherwise, they would be flocking to RCIA. Catholics have no business forcing their attitudes down the throats of others who have different ideas about how they wish to live - doing people good despite themselves or their wishes, when they are old enough to make their lown choices, is not even a good strategy; it usually backfires, & leaves the Church looking not only stupid, but pushy, & arrogant - we have to have enough respect for other people to allow them to act in ways which are degrading to themselves, much as we may disklike their choices - if those choices are legal, we can’t force our ways on them; we can’t force people to agree with us. God has not given us the right to do that. The Gospel gives liberty - it is not to be used to forge a new set of chains for anyone. And if God gives liberty, by what right do we deny it to others ? If people abuse it - they are free to do so.A little humility & a refusal to dictate to others how they should live, would do us no harm at all. Narrowing their choices to those we make is an appalling idea - it’s exactly what Tony Bliar and his cronies have been inflicting on the UK for the last nine years. Bliarism in the Church is no less repellent. ##
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bones_IV
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:bigyikes: It doesn’t matter? So it doesn’t matter if for example someone is a Nazi?Why should that matter to anybody who doesn’t share a theistic world view though ?
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bones_IV
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One who blasphemes God, doesn’t have the right to produce it or speak it. What you are presenting is an example of false freedom.I’m not. Governments can’t always support only projects that agree with everyone. I’m certain if you had access to records of things supported by our government, you’d find plenty of things throughout our history that were done from a Catholic point, or were at odds with Muslims or Jews or what have you.
At any rate, even if a University is state-run, the state does not control how they use the funds.
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bones_IV
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I think it would do you good to read this statement by Fr. Paul Weinberger: “What Pope Benedict said in Regensburg is obnoxious to many radical elements in the East and the West, whether it’s African or Asian, European or American. Why? The Pope dared to give the warning to Western Culture (or that which today passes for “Culture”) to avoid “the contempt for God and the cynicism that considers mockery of the Sacred to be an exercise of freedom.” Whatever human actions are held up for praise and are disconnected from God will lead only to violence and death. It was true 2,000 years ago and it’s true today. How can Christianity engage the East or the West if Reason, which is from God is first jettisoned?”
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Liberalsaved
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Why all the Nazi talk? How can you equate someone who doesn’t agree with you theologically to a nazi?:bigyikes: It doesn’t matter? So it doesn’t matter if for example someone is a Nazi?
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Liberalsaved
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Why do you live in America? You clearly want America to be the way you think it should be, and we’re never going to give up our freedom of speech just so people like yourself can have your way. I can guarantee you, and everyone like you, I would fight for my freedom of expression if I had to. Because I beleive in America. It seems what you beleive in is The United States of Bones IV.One who blasphemes God, doesn’t have the right to produce it or speak it. What you are presenting is an example of false freedom.
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bones_IV
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I don’t what side of the moon your on, but everytime TV is on, every occasion is taken to blaspheme God. And God is very unhappy and highly displeased when His holy Catholic Church is made fun of. I take the side of God thank you. When Benedict XVI in his speech at Regensberg was talking about violence and religion he had in mind plays like this. I’ll side on with the Holy Father any day of the week.Why do you live in America? You clearly want America to be the way you think it should be, and we’re never going to give up our freedom of speech just so people like yourself can have your way. I can guarantee you, and everyone like you, I would fight for my freedom of expression if I had to. Because I beleive in America. It seems what you beleive in is The United States of Bones IV.
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havemercy
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I can’t say I really care enough to picket. But you might see me there with a sign saying “Oh, you’re so silly!”
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