The Pope Drops Catholic Ban on Condoms in Historic Shift

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What the media is trying to claim is so false it practically hurts to read. Jimmy Akin gives a much more clear and honest explanation here.
 
floresco said:
That may be the only true thing that was said. The book is Light of the World: The Pope, The Church and The Signs Of The Times by Peter Seewald. Here is the amazon link: amazon.com/dp/1586176064?tag=whatdoesthepr-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=1586176064&adid=06MEQE27QBJX5RJK2XY6

Some comments from the author here: catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/11/19/peter-seewald-i-know-of-few-young-people-so-alive-so-curious-and-so-modern-as-the-pope/
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Thank you! Just ordered one for myself and one for a Christmas present 👍 .

Here is the link for Amazon.co.uk : amazon.co.uk/Light-World-Church-Signs-Times/dp/1860827098/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1290338741&sr=8-1

It looks really interesting. I expect more lies by the media once it’s released though.
 
’‘POPE PROMOTES MALE PROSTITUTION’'

…if the media are to distort one aspect, why not go the whole hog? 😃
 
Thyme said:
I expect more lies by the media once it’s released though.
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And, those commentators would not grasp what the Holy Father meant since I doubt if any of them have the book in the first place and would be commenting very much in the way of the game called Chinese whispers. Bet you that £5 commemorative coin it won’t be too long before Peter Thatchell, Stephen Fry & Co dominate air time with their opinions.
 
So now a whole bunch of poorly-practicing Catholics will be led to spiritual slaughter, thanks to the media spin doctors? :mad: :crying:

Dear Jesus, if you could come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, that would be totally fine by me.
 
When I heard this on the radio just a little while ago, I thought, “If that were true, there goes the whole Church!” :eek:

I mean, Pope Benedict did say that morally a condom MAY BE justified in that single instance, which is more than I’d like for him to say. He should be promoting abstinence for homosexuals instead of condom usage. He should be condemning male prostitution instead of talking about condoms to make it safer.

If he really dropped the ban on condoms, that would be a sea change of the 1st magnitude.

I really despise the propaganda machine in the US and around the world.

:mad:
 
JackVk said:
So now a whole bunch of poorly-practicing Catholics will be led to spiritual slaughter, thanks to the media spin doctors? :mad: :crying:

Dear Jesus, if you could come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, that would be totally fine by me.
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Ever since there’s BEEN media - or even mass communications (which has basically been forever) there’s been huge distortion of Church teaching. There is nothing new or shocking in this.

As for wanting the final judgement - as the saying goes, be careful, you might get what you ask for - and the results (at least for yourself) might be a lot worse than you imagine.
 
Santi2 said:
And, those commentators would not grasp what the Holy Father meant since I doubt if any of them have the book in the first place and would be commenting very much in the way of the game called Chinese whispers. Bet you that £5 commemorative coin it won’t be too long before Peter Thatchell, Stephen Fry & Co dominate air time with their opinions.
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Haha the bet is on! You will win though 😛
 
Vague and ambiguous as always. Designed to be interpreted countless separate ways without actually saying anything.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
I mean, Pope Benedict did say that morally a condom MAY BE justified in that single instance, which is more than I’d like for him to say. He should be promoting abstinence for homosexuals instead of condom usage. He should be condemning male prostitution instead of talking about condoms to make it safer.
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He did not say anything about making it safer. He said that “it might be their first act of responsibility to redevelop their consciousness of the fact that not everything is permitted and that one cannot do everything one wants.” For some people this might be a first step in developing a proper sense of sexual morality. In context it is clear that he is not promoting condom use, but rather promoting that people have better formed consciences.
 
jpjd said:
The pope didn’t say that because that is not what he wanted to say. He did NOT “lift the ban” on condom usage.

What he DID say was:

"Benedict said that condoms are not a moral solution. But he said in some cases, such as for male prostitutes, they could be justified “in the intention of reducing the risk of infection.”

Benedict called it “a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way of living sexuality.”

He used as an example male prostitutes, for whom contraception is not an issue, as opposed to married couples where one spouse is infected."

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I believe that the key word maybe justify. I was once told that justification is finding a sociably acceptable answer for sociably unacceptable behavior. Or a morally acceptable answer for morally unacceptable behavior. If you look at want The Pope said in light of that context it is not so much condoning the use of condoms. But is saying that if the person is sinning adding another sin that at least protects to some degree those sinning with you is of some benefit. At lest in the worldly realm.
 
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
I believe that the key word maybe justify. I was once told that justification is finding a sociably acceptable answer for sociably unacceptable behavior. Or a morally acceptable answer for morally unacceptable behavior. If you look at want The Pope said in light of that context it is not so much condoning the use of condoms. But is saying that if the person is sinning** adding another sin **that at least protects to some degree those sinning with you is of some benefit. At lest in the worldly realm.
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But in the example given, that of a male prostitute, the wearing of the condom is NOT adding another sin. The condom itself is not sinful; the use of contraception is sinful. In the example, there is no contraception. It is just a piece of rubber (or latex).
 
Thyme said:
Haha I’m surprised they haven’t done this already.
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They have. You missed some of my citations on another thread here. 🙂
“Word on the street” is that Catholics now accept male prostitution. The fine distinctions about contraception vs. non-contraception, and intent vs. result, is not what the general public is (overall) familiar with, let alone buys.
 
IMO the truth or falsehood of the whole article is within the title.

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Bolding mine.
The Pope Drops ** Catholic Ban ]** on Condoms in Historic Shift
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To do so, The Holy Father would have to condone prostitution male or female], sexual promiscuity, and birth control. Can anyone point out for me where The Holy Father condones these? If not: The Holy Father has not “Dropped a Catholic Ban”

Here is a clarification
Clarification on remarks on AIDS and condoms
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             The  head of the Holy See Press Office, Father Federico Lombardi, SJ, has  issued a statement clarifying passages of the book Light of the World,  in which Pope Benedict discusses AIDS and condom use.
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The statement says Pope Benedict states that AIDs cannot be solved only by the distribution of condoms, and, in fact, concentrating on condoms just trivializes sexuality, which loses its meaning as an expression of love and becomes like a drug.
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At the same time, the Pope considered an exceptional situation in which the exercise of sexuality represents a real risk to the lives of others. In this case, the Pope does not morally justify the exercise of disordered sexuality, but believes that the use of condoms to reduce the risk of infection is a "first step on the road to a more human sexuality”, rather than not to use it and risking the lives of others.
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Father Lombardi’s statement clarifies Pope Benedict XVI has not reformed or changed the Church’s teaching, but by putting it in perspective reaffirms the value and dignity of human sexuality as an expression of love and responsibility.
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oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Articolo.asp?c=440913
 
edwest2 said:
A clarification has been issued: No Change.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=514325

Peace,
Ed
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Ed that “clarification” was equally unwise. Did you read the entire thing? I’m sitting here wondering why the pope even mentioned prostitution at all in reference to condoms. It is MHO that he should mention condoms only to condemn their use and prostitution to condemn the act. This is a most unhappy time for the Church as I see it.

Annie
 
notredame_999 said:
How can the use of condoms involving sodomy between two men be more justified than a catholic marriage involving condoms which has created lets say 6 children in 12 years?
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A Catholic heterosexual married couple using condoms is less morally reprehensible than homosexual acts because in the former case conception is still possible whereas in the latter it never is. Condoms in homosexual acts are not contraceptive because conception can never happen; in that case they are purely prophylactic.
 
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