The Pope Visits Morocco

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I am very disappointed in this Pope. In his visit to Morocco he said: “As Christians and Muslims we believe in God the Creator and Merciful One, who has created men and women and placed them on the earth so that they might live together as brothers and sisters, respecting each other’s diversity and helping each other in their need.”

When is he going to start standing up for Jesus, our God and Savior and stop equating our God and the Muslim Allah? Their prophet Mohammad told us exactly what their “Allah” is all about and this is not the same God that Christians believe in and worship. Enough of the pandering to the Muslims already! It is time for this pontiff to take an unequivocal stand for Jesus Christ and tell that to the unbelieving Muslims.
 
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When is he going to start standing up for Jesus, our God and Savior and stop equating our God and the Muslim Allah?
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The Church has always equated our God with the Muslim Allah, without exception. Our conceptions of God may differ, but there is no doubt in the Church’s mind that Muslims and Jews worship the same God of Abraham as we do, and there never has been any doubt.

Arabic speaking Catholics pray to Allah.
 
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You seem to be unfamiliar with the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
para. 841: " The Church’s relationship with the Muslims . “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

I thank God that our Pope is not one of the “Muslims are evil” crowd.
 
Despite the Church’s claims to the contrary, I have doubt. We need to take Mohammad at his word when he writes about his “Allah”.
 
Allah is literally Arabic for God.
Al-Lah “Allah” . The al is the definite article, “the” in English. Lah means god.
Translates to “The God”
 
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I am familiar with that passage from the Catechism, I just find it very hard to accept such a teaching considering what the Koran actually teaches. It does not teach the same thing about our respective deities. We believe that Jesus Christ is God come to earth, the Muslims don’t - it’s that simple.
 
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Forget the words, look at the respective teachings about God. Jesus is the Savior, God Incarnated upon the earth , Mohammad isn’t.
 
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True, but this doesn’t mean Muslims dont worship God. They merely have a faulty understanding of Him.
 
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Despite the Church’s claims to the contrary, I have doubt.
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Then your argument is with 1400 years of popes, councils, synods and countless theologians, in other words, with Mother Church herself, rather than with me or Pope Francis or anyone else. Roma locuta, causa finita.
 
Also, I don’t think it would bode well for Arab Christians if the Pope were to tell Muslims we don’t worship the same God.
 
So, you’re disappointed in the Pope because you disagree with the teaching of the Church that’s been in place for hundreds of years before he came along, as expressed in an official Catechism published many years before he was elected Pope?

It sounds like this is your problem, not the Pope’s problem.
 
I wonder what Jesus will say to all of them on Judgement Day for what they taught in His name about this? Has every Catholic theologian agreed with this? Every Pope? Every Cardinal?

Well, Cardinal Burke, once the head of the highest court at the Vatican begs to differ. In the National Catholic Register he said that Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God because the Islamic god “is a governor,” and Islam is Sharia, the law “which comes from Allah” and which “must dominate every man eventually.”

He also said: "And it’s not a law that’s founded on love,” said Burke. “To say that we all believe in love is simply not correct. And while our experience with individual Muslims may be one of people who are gentle and kind and so forth, we have to understand that in the end what they believe most deeply, that to which they ascribe in their hearts, demands that they govern the world,” he said.
 
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I wonder what Jesus will say to all of them on Judgement Day for what they taught in His name about this? Has every Catholic theologian agreed with this? Every Pope? Every Cardinal?
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Shouldn’t you be focusing more on what Jesus will say to you, and leave it up to Jesus to deal with others?

I also somehow doubt that Cardinal Burke contradicted the Catechism. Can you post the actual source?
 
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I suggest that if Cardinal Burke wants to aggravate Muslims in this manner, he better be ready to pack up and move to the Middle East where many Christians would surely face backlash if the Pope were to say these very words. He shouldn’t leave Arab Christians to face the consequences of his words while he’s safe and sound now, should he?
 
The subject of blood martyrdom seldom comes up, but we must be ready to die rather than sin against the first commandment.
 
From an interview in the National Catholic Register as reported by CSN news, September 8th, 2016
 
Please bring your accusations of sinning against the first commandment to those Arabic-speaking Christians who refer to God as Allah, and affirm him as the same God that the Muslims worship. It may be that they have no idea what “Allah” means in their own language.
 
Like the Muslims don’t already hate the Christians in the Middle East?
 
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