The Pope Visits Morocco

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The Arabic Christians may call him Allah as their language dictates, but they are not the same. The Muslim “Allah” did not have a son who came to earth as the Savior and they also reject the Trinitarian concept of God. In fact, Islam teaches that the idea of a trinitarian God is blasphemous.
 
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I think you’re confusing two separate issues, that of language and religion. Islam has a false understanding of God, but it’s still God. There’s no other word for God in Arabic than Allah.
 
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Also, please do not misjudge the Holy Father’s comments. Such comments are extremely helpful in lessening Muslim-Christian tension in the Middle East. I spoke about this on another thread.

Trust me. The Holy Father knows what he’s doing.
 
If Allah has no son, then Allah is not the God who reveals Himself through the Son.
 
Again, my friend, Allah has a son, but the Muslims just don’t believe that. Doesn’t change who Allah is. I see where you’re coming from, however. I hope I have explained sufficiently.
 
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Reread your posts in this thread and honestly ask yourself whether Jesus would say they were inspired by love.
 
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Love and the truth is the way to go. My parents showed me their love when they corrected me, and did not Jesus do the same when he pointed out when one was on the wrong track and said “Go and sin no more”?
 
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Yes, that’s true, but how did you expect to correct the Muslims by coming on a Catholic forum and criticizing the Pope?
 
Salibi said:
Trust me. The Holy Father knows what he’s doing.
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There are always those who believe they know better than the Pope and the Church. Which I can understand, when it comes from Protestants. But when it comes from Catholics, not so much.
 
Here is the original Cardinal Burke source:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jose...ttendance-drops-iturgy-ad-orientem-and-islam1

Read in context, his statement that he doesn’t believe Muslims are worshipping the same God (a bit of an unfortunate choice of words since, as several of us have pointed out, the Catechism clearly says that Muslims and Jewish people worship the “God of Abraham” and have that in common with us) means that in his opinion, their understanding of God is different - that they see God as a harsh, legalistic God with a law “not founded on love”.

In other words, same God, vastly different understanding of that God.

I could go so far as to say some Catholics are unfortunately just as legalistic as Burke thinks Muslims are, when it comes to their concept of God.

In any event, I don’t think the Pope announcing a statement like Cardinal Burke’s to a whole group of Muslims is going to change their minds, advance the cause of peace, or really, do anything for the planet at all unless someone is in a hurry to start WWIII.
 
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Thank you, Tis_Bearself, for providing us with what the Cardinal actually said, not what the OP claimed he did.
 
What? He only expounds on what I quoted from him earlier.

To repeat his words: “there is no natural law doctrine in Islam and neither is there an ocean of conscience”. And: “we just make these general statements, we’re all believing in the same God and so forth, and this is not helpful and ultimately it will be the end of Christianity, meaning nothing has changed in the Islamic agenda from prior times in which our ancestors in the faith have had to fight to save Christianity”.

So where exactly does he come off as saying our God and theirs is the same from seeing the rest of the article from it’s source? I’m sorry, but I am not seeing that at all. My belief is that his opinion remains the same.
 
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"means that in his opinion, their understanding of God is different - that they see God as a harsh, legalistic God with a law “not founded on love”.
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Their perception is everything - thus we do not believe in the same God. Our God is love personified, theirs isn’t.
 
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If Allah has no son, then Allah is not the God who reveals Himself through the Son.
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By this logic, we don’t worship the same God as the Jews.

Look, it’s pretty simple.
Jews claim to worship the God of Abraham
Christians claim to worship the God of Abraham
Muslims claim to worship the God of Abraham.

So we are all attempting to worship the same God.

HOWEVER, all three of us have VASTLY different understanding about who God is.

One way that we KNOW that Islam is worshiping our God (wrongly) is that for centuries, most people in the Church considered Islam a major heresy. It was not considered a separate religion by most Christians during St. Thomas Aquinas’s time. They considered it a major heresy.

So let’s not get bent out of shape about this. No one is saying that Muhammad is to be honored or considered a profit. The Pope (like many others) is simply recognizing that the Muslims believe to be praying to the God of Abraham, even if they have no idea who He really is and have been lead astray by the Muhammad.

Now, if you want to talk about the Jin that they believe in - I would argue that they are demons that are helping to lead Muslims astray. But the Pope isn’t talking about them either.

God bless
 
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By this logic, we don’t worship the same God as the Jews.
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From the book of Isaiah, the Hebrew Scriptures

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

So I disagree, we DO worship the same God as the Jews.
 
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By this logic, we don’t worship the same God as the Jews.
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From the book of Isaiah, the Hebrew Scriptures

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

So I disagree, we DO worship the same God as the Jews.
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OF COURSE we worship the same God as the Jews do.

But a lot of Jews don’t thing so. I know, my wife is Jewish.
 
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except the jews don[t think that child is Jesus.

I understand your concerns about Islam, I really do, but trying to find common groud is more helpful than not. we are still called to evangelize all people.

even the jews in the bible recognized that the gentiles were attempting to worship the divine, albeit in a misguided way
 
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