The Pope's words on Islam

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go out and try to find a Muslim personally who supports terror.
If your willing to come to Australia I can give you a very LONG list of muslims who support their jihads and terrorism, in fact they praise Bin Laden. I knew them personally, I went to school with them and have run into them on many occasions and they always had something to say in support of the violence. So if you like I can start on a list of names.
 
If your willing to come to Australia I can give you a very LONG list of muslims who support their jihads and terrorism, in fact they praise Bin Laden. I knew them personally, I went to school with them and have run into them on many occasions and they always had something to say in support of the violence. So if you like I can start on a list of names.
Actually, I’m in Australia right now. Let’s see the list of names.
 
Actually, I’m in Australia right now. Let’s see the list of names.
Would you like full names (in the event you would like to contact them, they are all based in Sydney) or just a list of first names so as to prove myself to you, is that what you want??? Is it so hard for you to believe that there are muslims out there who do condone these violent acts just because you dont know any?

Again if you would like their full details, it may take me some time, but I will get them for you so you can get in touch with them yourself since your here in OZ land, you can find out for yourself that this nonsense of not knowing one single muslim who suports these acts is proven FALSE!
 
Well, the fact is, the Pope chose to quote an insulting passage to Muslims. As far as I can tell, he has not rejected the quote, or said he believes it to be false. He didn’t do this when he spoke it either.

As for a lack of condemnation by moderates, I would like for you to find me one moderate leader in Islam who has not condemned terrorism. Just one. This claim keeps getting repeated, but it is blatantly false…virtually every single Muslim group on the planet has condemned this sort of violence.
I must be deaf. The muslims in this country have been deafeningly silent while all of the violence goes on. I have not heard anyone condemn violence against those who do not accept Islam.
 
Well, I used to be Catholic. Today we’re having a discussion on part of the reason that I am no longer Catholic.

Add on top of hatred for Muslims attitudes like yours. This is more proof that practicing as a Catholic does not make you a good person. I invite more posts like yours…it makes it easier for me to point out to my parents and other Catholic friends that the Church isn’t a good place for any of us.
I think perhaps you were very poorly educated in the Catholic faith.
 
Would you like full names (in the event you would like to contact them, they are all based in Sydney) or just a list of first names so as to prove myself to you, is that what you want??? Is it so hard for you to believe that there are muslims out there who do condone these violent acts just because you dont know any?

Again if you would like their full details, it may take me some time, but I will get them for you so you can get in touch with them yourself since your here in OZ land, you can find out for yourself that this nonsense of not knowing one single muslim who suports these acts is proven FALSE!
Sure, please forward the contact information and I’ll see these supposed terror supporters for myself.
 
The word QATILOO is derived from the root Qaf-T-L and it means killing. Some translators translate it as fight but it really means kill.

As in 2:191:

WaoQTULOOhum haythuthaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatuashaddu mina alqatli wala tuQATILOOhum AAindaalmasjidi alharami hatta yuqQATILOOkumfeehi fa-in QATALOOkum faoQTULOOhum kathalikajazao alkafireena

And SLAY them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but FIGHT them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) FIGHT you there; but if they FIGHT you, SLAY them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

Thus it seems fight and slay/kill is synonymous to Muslims.
 
Haha, okay, wait, did you actually turn to a page of the Koran and read this surah?

“224. And make not Allah.s (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth all things.”
Muslims have a relative morality, as has been stated before. A Muslim promise to “act rightly” doesn’t necessarily amount to much in the eyes of common sense.
Then it talks about marriage.
So what? Nice red herring.
Where did “further Islam” come from this, and how does “thoughtlessness” equal “lie”?
Your questions are all twisted to mix things I actually said with minor logical errors that you completely fabricated to divert attention away from the real argument. Don’t think that people cannot see this. The bottom line is Allah apparently does not care when you make oaths in vain (you do not keep your promises). This is condoning lies. Deal with it.
 
Muslims have a relative morality, as has been stated before. A Muslim promise to “act rightly” doesn’t necessarily amount to much in the eyes of common sense.

So what? Nice red herring.

Your questions are all twisted to mix things I actually said with minor logical errors that you completely fabricated to divert attention away from the real argument. Don’t think that people cannot see this. The bottom line is Allah apparently does not care when you make oaths in vain (you do not keep your promises). This is condoning lies. Deal with it.
The fact that you don’t have any clue what marriage has to do with this is proof positive that you didn’t read the book. Read verses 226 and 227.

The bottom line is that you didn’t even bother to read the book, you just took someone’s out of context quote, then manufactured definitions that suit your agenda (like “lie” for “thoughtless”-not the same word, but that doesn’t matter to you), and drew a conclusion.
 
I understand that you are posting out of concern, but make sure this concern doesn’t stop you from being concerned about those who are NOT Catholic.
Image of God - The majority of victims of Islam are Muslims themselves. Millions of Muslims are trapped in countries that are not free and they will never hear the message of the true Christ because it is forbidden. I *am *concerned about those people. It is a great tragedy that people live in dire circumstances in this world who have never heard the Word of God.
 
What? I’m not a Muslim now. Never was.

But certainly, encountering "you must be a secret Muslim!’ from Christians everywhere I go has not helped me to “see the truth” about how Christianity promotes rational thought and opposes illogical bias.

Quatsch, I read the whole speech on the Vatican website.
pro!!! funny seeing you here. how are you? i wasn’t aware that you were once Catholic?
 
Quick questions: Are you leaving or no? If so, why don’t you just go? Are you lonely and have no one else with whom to converse? What gives?

Anna
Yes, I was wondering the same thing. So, I ended up being “pro_active” by putting this person on my ignore list.
 
The fact that you don’t have any clue what marriage has to do with this is proof positive that you didn’t read the book. Read verses 226 and 227.

The bottom line is that you didn’t even bother to read the book, you just took someone’s out of context quote, then manufactured definitions that suit your agenda (like “lie” for “thoughtless”-not the same word, but that doesn’t matter to you), and drew a conclusion.
No… YOU didn’t read the book!

See? You’re not the only one who’s allowed to use baseless allegations as “proof”. :rolleyes:
 
No… YOU didn’t read the book!

See? You’re not the only one who’s allowed to use baseless allegations as “proof”. :rolleyes:
Uh, no. Quote versus 226 and 227 for us, and you’ll see why it is absurd for you to claim to have read that piece, yet be totally confused as to why marriage is involved.
 
I hope pro sticks around and brings a few more Muslims to the board. He sure is good value for highlighting what Islam does to people. Muchos gracias, amigo.

Hasta luego,
Rodrigo
 
Uh, no. Quote versus 226 and 227 for us, and you’ll see why it is absurd for you to claim to have read that peace, yet be totally confused as to why marriage is involved.
Hey, I invite everyone to read the whole sura if they think they can do it without getting sick. Quote the whole thing for all I care.
 
Uh, no. Quote versus 226 and 227 for us, and you’ll see why it is absurd for you to claim to have read that piece, yet be totally confused as to why marriage is involved.
You should have not left the Catholic Church though. It is the Church of Christ regardless of who’s in it. You have committed apostacy and need to repent.

I understand you (guy or girl) are young like me, but Jesus warned us that there is NO other way to salvation but through him. If you leave his Church, you are leaving him.
 
Hi pro_universal, I’ve been reading your posts in this thread and it seems you have a lot of sympathy to Islam.

I’m from Indonesia, so please excuse my terrible English :o

You’ve said that no muslim support terrorism. Maybe you only hear that from Muslims who live in Europe or America. Here, unfortunately, regarding the 9/11, many muslims support the attack. Many people smiled and happy when they heard the news that the WTC towers collapsed. Isn’t it a sign of supporting terrorism ?

And maybe you’ve never heard imam’s speech in mosque in Indonesia. Mosque is everywhere around my house and they use loudspeakers (very loud ones :confused: ) to call people to shalat. So, I can hear clearly when imams give their speech/homilies. Some of them is very full of hate to Christians and Jews (although no Jews in Indonesia, because it is prohibited).
I remember one night before Christmas, I heard an imam in one of the mosque said that muslim should not congratulate Christians for Christmas because Christians are kaffir and they are not Allah’s follower, and Christian is the enemy of Islam. He quoted several verses from Quran that are so offensive.

Maybe you only hear good things about Islam from your muslim friends in order to impress you about Islam, but if you Catholic and live in majority Islam country then you will hear the truth.

Here Islam is majority, around 90% of total population, in some provinces around 99%. Catholic is only total around 3% but we are very solid 😃
 
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