The Pope's words on Islam

[Image_of_God]

This kind of alarmist reaction is unnecessary. I am posting out of concern for the spiritual and physical well-being of my fellow Catholics on these forums and want to be sure that I warn them about some disturbing aspects of Islam that do not jive with our Christian sensibilities. I want to encourage all Catholics to read the articles on websites like www.islamreview.com and keep the information in mind when dialoguing here.

I also must tell you that I am Catholic as well. But the way you are doing it is not the right way. There WILL be a point in which the whole world will worship the Son of God as well as his Father and Spirit, but that is not now.

I have not had an alarm. But you must keep in mind that we are all called to be Catholic, not just those who are currently Catholic. I understand that you are posting out of concern, but make sure this concern doesn’t stop you from being concerned about those who are NOT Catholic.

 

[cestusdei]

In Indonesia a woman recently converted to Christianity and is now being prosecuted as if that is a crime. There is a sword in Indonesia. Ask the Christians who suffered there.

As for kaffir. Call a Muslim that and most will be offended. Call Muhammed that and they will kill you. If they call you, or the Pope, a kaffir they wonder why you mind.

 

[Anna_Elizabeth]

Attitudes like these towards Muslims have helped convince me to leave Catholicism.

I’m sad when I read these threads. A quote from a medieval Byzantine Emperor about his rivals for power is being used to describe Islam again…it’s as if we’ve learned nothing from a violent, intolerant history.

Thank you, Cestusdei, for being one of many who has helped me to see that Catholicism is not the path to truth that I need to follow.

Quick questions: Are you leaving or no? If so, why don’t you just go? Are you lonely and have no one else with whom to converse? What gives?

Anna

 

[cestusdei]

Keep in mind the pope did not retract what he said or say that he is sorry for it. He is sorry the Muslims are committing terrorist attacks as a result of an intellectual disagreement and invitation to real dialogue. Europe should be watching this with a cold shiver up their spines. Think of what it will be like when France is 25% Islamic. If you think it’s bad now wait till then.

 

[pro_universal]

Quick questions: Are you leaving or no? If so, why don’t you just go? Are you lonely and have no one else with whom to converse? What gives?

Anna

I guess I read the “Non Catholic Religions” title at the top of this subforum and thought it would be alright to post here from time to time.

I am certainly long gone from the Church, though. And thank the heavens, Lance, that no one’s missing me .

 

[jAlex]

Quick questions: Are you leaving or no? If so, why don’t you just go? Are you lonely and have no one else with whom to converse? What gives?

Anna

Hey guys!
I must recognize I lashed a couple of times at him too but let’s not forget it’s just a duscussion board. He does his best to defend his postions and we should do the same. Otherwise this board would be pretty boring.

Cheers!

Alex.

 

[pro_universal]

Did you even read the article at all before blasting it?

What does this appear to say to you, then?

Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225

Hint: the “intention” is to further Islam.

Haha, okay, wait, did you actually turn to a page of the Koran and read this surah?

“224. And make not Allah.s (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth all things.”

Then it talks about marriage. Where did “further Islam” come from this, and how does “thoughtlessness” equal “lie”?

Seriously, I can’t believe you’re reading that and honestly getting “Lying is Okay to Further Islam”, when neither “lying” nor “further Islam” appear in the passage or the context.

 

[shotz]

Anyone who is led away from catholicism by the words the Pope used, probably wasn’t a christian to begin with. So become a muslim, and move to the middle east.

 

[Anna_Elizabeth]

I guess I read the “Non Catholic Religions” title at the top of this subforum and thought it would be alright to post here from time to time.

I am certainly long gone from the Church, though. And thank the heavens, Lance, that no one’s missing me .

How can anyone miss you when your “from time to time” posts number 15 today and at least 30 yesterday? My eyes glazed over before I could count them all!

A quick glance tells us that you have almost 800 posts since you began in February of this year!

C’mon, admit it. You have no where else to go!!!:clapping:

Anna

 

[pro_universal]

How can anyone miss you when your “from time to time” posts number 15 today and at least 30 yesterday? My eyes glazed over before I could count them all!

A quick glance tells us that you have almost 800 posts since you began in February of this year!

C’mon, admit it. You have no where else to go!!!:clapping:

Anna

Well, I used to be Catholic. Today we’re having a discussion on part of the reason that I am no longer Catholic.

Add on top of hatred for Muslims attitudes like yours. This is more proof that practicing as a Catholic does not make you a good person. I invite more posts like yours…it makes it easier for me to point out to my parents and other Catholic friends that the Church isn’t a good place for any of us.

 

[Thorondir]

Attitudes like these towards Muslims have helped convince me to leave Catholicism.

Then, as St. Paul so clearly put it, YOU WERE NEVER ONE OF US. So we, according to the Bible, are not to be saddened by your “leaving”.

Buh bye.

—not sad

 

[Anna_Elizabeth]

Well, I used to be Catholic. Today we’re having a discussion on part of the reason that I am no longer Catholic.

Add on top of hatred for Muslims attitudes like yours. This is more proof that practicing as a Catholic does not make you a good person. I invite more posts like yours…it makes it easier for me to point out to my parents and other Catholic friends that the Church isn’t a good place for any of us.

And when exactly will you find time to alert all those misguided people when you have to spend all your waking hours on these posts?

Phoney, I say.

Anna

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

pro
Is this one of the verses that makes you think Islam is worth defending?

O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Al-Muttaqoon (the pious - see V.2:2).

All we do here in a discussion board is discuss and in the process tell the truth about Islam. I know the evidence is overwhelming that Islam is horrible and Muhammad was pure evil. But in no way does our truth - which we obtained from Islamic sources and LIVING AMONG MUSLIMS and having MUSLIM RELATIVES - cast any doubt on Catholicism.

Chau,
Cid

 

[pro_universal]

And when exactly will you find time to alert all those misguided people when you have to spend all your waking hours on these posts?

Phoney, I say.

Anna

Phoney what? Phoney here, or phoney other people?

 

[jAlex]

Well, I used to be Catholic. Today we’re having a discussion on part of the reason that I am no longer Catholic.

Add on top of hatred for Muslims attitudes like yours.

I do not think this is “hatred” for muslims per se but for whatever became of them in the past half century.

This is more proof that practicing as a Catholic does not make you a good person.

Well, I would argue Islam didn’t transform Osama’s ilk into monuments of love either. Works both ways.

I invite more posts like yours…it makes it easier for me to point out to my parents and other Catholic friends that the Church isn’t a good place for any of us.

Jesus had a good parable on this… something about the beam in you eye…

Alex.

 

[pro_universal]

I do not think this is “hatred” for muslims per se but for whatever became of them in the past half century.

Well, I would argue Islam didn’t transform Osama’s ilk into monuments of love either. Works both ways.

Jesus had a good parable on this… something about the beam in you eye…

Alex.

jAlex,

Thanks for maintaining your cool and making a fine point here. It certainly does work both ways. I was mainly hoping to provoke some reflect in Anna, but I did not think it through like that.

 

[Myangel]

I can’t honestly say that I think it’s truth, for other more important reasons primarily, but the behavior I see on this thread is certainly part of why I cannot accept that this is the truth.

This is so hypocritical, you blame our behaviour for your leaving the catholic faith and this is what you posted earlier on:

Originally Posted by pro_universal
It is wrong, to the point of being grossly immoral, to judge an entire religion based on the acts of a tiny number of its followers. September 11th was a horrible enough crime, and the fact is, the truth survived it. Blaming billions of people based on what a few do is wrong.

Well at least you can understand where the posters on this thread are coming from, it is quite hard not to judge the entire muslim religion based on a few radicals, just like you left catholicism because of the actions of a few on this thread.

 

[pro_universal]

Well at least you can understand where the posters on this thread are coming from, it is quite hard not to judge the entire muslim religion based on a few radicals, just like you left catholicism because of the actions of a few on this thread.

Well, in the first place, I didn’t leave Catholicism because of this thread. I was already not Catholic before this thread was created. Please read my posts.

The difference in judgments here is that I find this attitude everywhere I go in America with Catholics. Conversely, the supposed Muslims who support terror do not exist anywhere except in the terror cells themselves. Seriously…go out and try to find a Muslim personally who supports terror.

But go out and find a Catholic who shares the opinions of posters on this board about Islam? Give me the address of the nearest Church and I’ll grab enough for an “anti-Jihad” picnic.

 

[lcalise]

It’s moot as to whether or not there is one authority, because every single person even remotely approaching an authority agrees that Islam forbids killing people just because they have a different creed.

That’s not true at all. Many ‘authoritative’ positions I’ve read say that non-believers must either convert, be subdued, or die. Most countries where Islam is dominant subdue non-Muslims quite well. For example, in Egypt, Christians are treated as second class citizens and most live in garbage…literally.

Now, A LOT of leaders do believe that if someone is not subdued, they must die. A LOT of leaders believe that converts from Islam must die. Those are facts, not the sugar-coated, media version of Islamic apologetics you’re reiterating. Sorry.

 

[pro_universal]

That’s not true at all. Many ‘authoritative’ positions I’ve read say that non-believers must either convert, be subdued, or die.

Great, let’s see the ‘authoritative positions’. Where did you read this information?

Most countries where Islam is dominant subdue non-Muslims quite well. For example, in Egypt, Christians are treated as second class citizens and most live in garbage…literally.

We have an Egyptian poster here. He says otherwise.

Now, A LOT of leaders do believe that if someone is not subdued, they must die. A LOT of leaders believe that converts from Islam must die. Those are facts, not the sugar-coated, media version of Islamic apologetics you’re reiterating. Sorry.

Great, can you please name one of these leaders?