The Pope's words on Islam

[Eden]

I hope they know what they are doing…note to muslims everywhere: Throwing down with the largest Christian Church on the planet is not a good idea. It may seem cool to you now, but if you ever wanted a unified world response against you, this is the way to get one. Not a good idea fellas.

I just can’t imagine what the world response would be though. The media is so anti-Catholic to begin with. I was expecting the response of most of the non-Catholic West to be “I’m not Catholic, so why should I care?”

 

[mlchance]

Attitudes like these towards Muslims have helped convince me to leave Catholicism.

And Muslims sawing the heads off of hostages, killing children, murdering nuns, burning down churches, hiding behind civilians in order to launch rockets at schools, and setting off bombs in crowded marketplaces convinced you of what else?

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[TobyLue]

      Originally Posted by **pro_universal**

Attitudes like these towards Muslims have helped convince me to leave Catholicism.

And Muslims sawing the heads off of hostages, killing children, murdering nuns, burning down churches, hiding behind civilians in order to launch rockets at schools, and setting off bombs in crowded marketplaces convinced you of what else?

– Mark L. Chance.

The Pope said that **violence is against God’s nature **and the “religion of peace” is insulted and has reacted with violence. So…pray tell------what attitude should we have when an Iman in England is calling for the execution of the Holy Father? What attitude should we have when a nun is assinated because she is Catholic? What attitude should we have when the “religion of peace” vowed war on the worshipers of the Cross. What attitude should we have when the “religion of peace” shouts “we shall break the cross and spill the wine”? What attitude should we have to all the riots and buring of the pope in effigy? The “religion of peace” has had its chance. So dont come around here telling us all this BS that “Islam is the religion of peace” and that Jesus was a true muslim. That will not wash around here anymore.

 

[sadie2723]

And Muslims sawing the heads off of hostages, killing children, murdering nuns, burning down churches, hiding behind civilians in order to launch rockets at schools, and setting off bombs in crowded marketplaces convinced you of what else?

– Mark L. Chance.

I love it!

 

[Marc18]

I believe what that emporer said and what the pope quoted to be true. This also highlights the bibles teaching of FALSE religions and of FALSE prophets.

Matthew 7:15-20

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.

16 By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?

17 Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit.

18 A good tree can’t produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.

19 Every tree that doesn’t grow good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire.

20 Therefore, by their fruits you will know them.

I think from the twin towers, london, madrid, forcing the reporters to convert and many more atrocities. They themselves have justifies the medievel quote. Saudi arabia and other islamic states have outlawed christianity. The christian worls have alot more respect for islam than the islamic world has for the christian world.

 

[Eden]

I believe what that emporer said and what the pope quoted to be true. This also highlights the bibles teaching of FALSE religions and of FALSE prophets.

Since you are in the U.K., Marc, do you mind if I veer off a little here and ask, is it likely that the Muslim protesters on Sunday will be charged with the newer law over there about inciting violence?

 

[Marc18]

From what i have heard yes. They had alot of inciting materials. Apparently they were using the woodlands near them as a training camp.

 

[Eden]

From what i have heard yes. They had alot of inciting materials.

Good. I’m tired of feeling helpless. I want to start seeing some repercussions for this kind of madness.

Apparently they were using the woodlands near them as a training camp.

Unbelievable.

 

[Neuner]

I believe what that emporer said and what the pope quoted to be true. This also highlights the bibles teaching of FALSE religions and of FALSE prophets.

Matthew 7:15-20

Thank you for quoting the Gospels. I think we need to post, and consider our Messiah’s own words more often.

This is my first post, and it is difficult for me to write this especially since I need to be critical of my own faults and try to correct them before I say anything to others, but it saddens me with some of the posts I have read and their views on current affairs.

We need to forgive others of the wrong they have stated against us and be harmless. This is very hard to do, but that is why the path is narrow and difficult. This is easy for me to say since I am not directly affected with someone yelling in my face threatening me or my family, but I pray that if or when that hour arrises I will remain deeply rooted with my faith, stay peaceful and loving, and not giving into temptation.

 

[cestusdei]

Today in Gaza Islamic leaders called on the Pope to convert to Islam if he wants peace. Sounds like a threat to me. Gee, whatever happened to no compulsion in religion. I’ll tell you, it was abrogated.

 

[Eden]

Today in Gaza Islamic leaders called on the Pope to convert to Islam if he wants peace. Sounds like a threat to me. Gee, whatever happened to no compulsion in religion. I’ll tell you, it was abrogated.

Apparently a Muslim is required to call invite an unbeliever to convert before they are justified in killing them. Bin Laden was criticized by some sticklers for not following that protocol before 9/11 so, this is a very disturbing development indeed.

 

[Anna_Elizabeth]

Yes, I was wondering the same thing. So, I ended up being “pro_active” by putting this person on my ignore list.

Thanks. I had forgotten about that option. If she won’t leave, we can just leave her. The subject is too important to be monopolized by someone with a boring life.

Pro-active Anna

 

[Eden]

Pro-active Anna

 

[thechrismyster]

Today in Gaza Islamic leaders called on the Pope to convert to Islam if he wants peace. Sounds like a threat to me. Gee, whatever happened to no compulsion in religion. I’ll tell you, it was abrogated.

they seem really out of the loop. regardless of how the media portrays the islamic thugs. they are nothing more than ignorant bullies. not the most intelligent people in the world.
remember this captured “soldier”?
http://www.cookrepublicans.com/content/img/f22566/SZ200_Captured Cody.jpg
these are not rocket scientists, they are bullies and street criminals with a well financed backer.

 

[Makaveli]

Islam is not real, it was invented by the candy company. So to support it, especially by terrorist and extremist, would be like supporting Willy Wanka and the Chocolate factory… completely absurd!

 

[pro_universal]

pro_universal;1502484:

Lots of talking about the violence, zero speculation as to its cause beyond a one-line “Islam is the problem!” type response.

But that is exactly what the Pope was trying to do. I’m not going to defend the bigoted nonsense the folks around here sling about. But the Pope offered a careful, reasoned critique linking Islamic violence to a documented view of at least some Islamic theologians. He admitted that this view has also appeared in Christianity–and he should have also noted that there’s plenty of religious violence in Christianity! (and he could have said further that the late-madieval and Reformation periods were the worst in this regard, and that they were also the periods when these “voluntarist” views were most powerful in Christianity).

If the Pope is wrong, Islamic scholars need to show either that he’s reading Islamic theology incorrectly or that the figures he cited (actually he only cited one by name!) are atypical.

Edwin

Well, the main problem is that he used a quote that condemns all of what Muhammad did, without disowning it or qualifying it except to say that it belonged to a Christian monarch. The language was not specific to a strain of Islam; it used a blanket condemnation of Islam by an emporer as a jumping off point for a discussion about violence, reason, and faith.

Wrong or right (it looks like a theology discussion goes nowhere on this board-I was lucky to find your post in the mix here), I don’t think it’s unpredictable that offense would result. Just imagine if he had used a quote from medieval times about “usurious Jews” as a jumping off point for talking about faith and economics.

 

[Image_of_God]

Contarini;1502703:

pro_universal;1502484:

Lots of talking about the violence, zero speculation as to its cause beyond a one-line “Islam is the problem!” type response.

Well, the main problem is that he used a quote that condemns all of what Muhammad did, without disowning it or qualifying it except to say that it belonged to a Christian monarch. The language was not specific to a strain of Islam; it used a blanket condemnation of Islam by an emporer as a jumping off point for a discussion about violence, reason, and faith.

Wrong or right (it looks like a theology discussion goes nowhere on this board-I was lucky to find your post in the mix here), I don’t think it’s unpredictable that offense would result. Just imagine if he had used a quote from medieval times about “usurious Jews” as a jumping off point for talking about faith and economics.

You cannot justify what these radicals are doing is right. We current Christians did NOT launch the Crusades. These extremists are responsible for there violence. There have been NO reports that I have heard of Christian violence as much as this. They mock Jesus by saying that he agrees with such violence and I’m upset. When did the Pope mock these extremist’s faiths? It is merely the extremist’s interpretations.

The nun and the churches had nothing to do with the problem, but they are killed. This is not to be even attempted to be justified.

 

[angiegirl67]

No. But defending Islam against charges that the above are true is definitely reasonable, because if you learn what Muslims have to say, it’s clear that those claims are false.

The complete and total lack of a desire to seek the truth on this issue, and the tones of racial intolerance that come with it in many parts, have been instrumental in leading me away from Catholicism.

Maybe they don’t take you that way, but it’s the truth that Islam is not a bad religion regardless of your relationship to the Church.

Your kidding right…You are going to be lead away because of that in which you said that I put in red. There must have been other stuff that is leading you away. Maybe you were not a very devoted Catholic to begin with. Anyone after being in the presence of our Lord in the Eucharist and then leaving is off the mark. As far as racial intolerance I’m a cradle and I have not experienced it ever. All my life we have been praying for all sorts of people.

As far as I see it the racial intolerence has all come from Islam. Why is it I feel as if they wish that I didn’t exist? Why is it that they say that all the infidels should die? Why do they hate the West so much? Right about now I’m feel as thought they are not being very tolerant.

Also when was the last time you heard on a daily basis that a Catholic was killing someone in the name of God.

I think you should really think about why you are leaving Catholism and not blame it on things that just are not true.

I employer you to sit in front of your Lord and Savior in adoration and tell him why you are rejecting him and leaving his Church.

 

[The_Catholic]

There are many parts in the Quran that seem, well pretty Biblical. I’m not so familiar with Islam though. I’ve heard there are peaceful ones (just as there are Christians), and radical ones that cut throats (just as some Christians did in the past). I would not say that Islam is a waring religon, as I know of it, but for the most part the Pope was simply talking about spreading faith by viloence is unacceptable. Just as Christians have done that, so have Muslims and it’s unGodly. But whether the Pope was wrong or right, why is there killing? Why was the nun shot to death, churches burned, Muslims protesting in the streets, calling for the Pope’s execution, etc.? If the Pope made a mistake then why haven’t these “peaceful people” confronted him about it rationaly?

Pro universal, do you not condem these horrible acts? Don’t misunderstand me, I am not attacking Islam, as I’ve said Christians have done poor actions in the past too. But it seems that the Pope proved a point here. At least to me.

 

[browser1]

Browser,
Show me where Jesus said to spread Christianity through violence.

Where did I say Jesus said to spread Christianity through violence? However that did not stop the Christians from doing so. Nowadays, although violence isnt used, exploitation of a persons state is, where in parts of Asia, a poor person will be looked after if they are willing to convert to Christianity. How unfair.

My question also TobyLue. Even the muslim who sometimes appear on this forum seem to have vanished.
Maybe they too are out protesting all over the world and threatening the Vatican.

Its nice to see how charitable you can be when people are not here to defend themselves.

No, the reason that the US is incapable of doing anything good in the middle east is that everytime Christians try to do anything good in the Middle East or in any Muslem nation, they are thanked with death, violence, and persecution.

The US is generally not welcome in middle eastern countries, and that is because very rarely do they ‘help’ for the sake of helping, usually its because they have an ulterior motive

Yup…there is that religion of peace again…Convert or Die!

This was a prominent feature in Christianity not so long ago