The Problem with Back-Logging Mass Intentions

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It’s up to the pastor. Ours will often rearrange the intentions when there is an emergency. He did that when one of my relatives was dying and has done the same for others I know. Our “book” is not carved in stone.
We will rarely rearrange a mass but only after contacting the person who originally arranged for the mass to be said to see if he or she would switch to another date. If you don’t do that and the people show up thinking it is for dear deceased grandma and it isn’t, we are going to hear about it the next day in the parish office.
 
We will rarely rearrange a mass but only after contacting the person who originally arranged for the mass to be said to see if he or she would switch to another date. If you don’t do that and the people show up thinking it is for dear deceased grandma and it isn’t, we are going to hear about it the next day in the parish office.
I only tried that once and I got my head handed to me on a plate, by the people I thought would be the most understanding and who hadn’t requested that specific date. After that experience it was “Sorry, that date is already spoken for/been announced.”
 
I only tried that once and I got my head handed to me on a plate, by the people I thought would be the most understanding and who hadn’t requested that specific date. After that experience it was “Sorry, that date is already spoken for/been announced.”
Ah, charity at it’s finest.:rolleyes: Really, if someone had a Mass intention that wasn’t urgent, and someone comes along with an urgent Mass intention, you’d think they would be understanding enough to switch the date. Even if so and so showed up for the Mass expecting it to be for their loved one. This is why I’m also leery about things like announced Mass intentions and the like. It turns into an excuse to feed people’s pride by having your name in the bulletin and announced.

I prefer the method of dealing with the priest directly and it being a private thing where, at most, only a few people know, but usually it’s just between you and the priest that the Mass is being offered for your intention.
 
As a new Catholic. I’m confused. Will someone explain to me why there is a limit on how many people a Mass can be said for?
 
As a new Catholic. I’m confused. Will someone explain to me why there is a limit on how many people a Mass can be said for?
I think originally it was to prevent trafficking in Mass stipends.

You can offer a Mass for as many people as you want, for example, one couple in my parish often has Masses said for “all the deceased members” of their respective families.
There is a segment of Canon Law dealing with Masses & Mass Stipends.

It says, among other things, that a priest can only accept as many Masses as he can say in a year. He can’t get a stipend for more than one Mass per day (except at Christmas) even if he celebrates or concelebrates 2 or 3.

I’m not sure how to interpret Canon 948. It seems to preclude the practice of some parishes of ‘doubling up’ on Mass intentions, even if the priest is only receiving one stipend.
 
I realize that there are emergencies, but in several instances I have asked the priest to “pray for me” about a particular situation and he will offer to say his Mass for my intention. Since I haven’t then handed him a stipend, I have no idea how that worked out under canon law. 😉

Our parish also offers Mass cards for Easter, Christmas, Mother’s Day, and Father’s Day.Even with 6 Masses said on a normal Sunday, I have no idea how they fill all those requests.

I have been meaning for a while to enroll members of my family in the perpetual Masses that some missions offer. This thread has reminded me. Off to do that now! 🙂
 
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Our parish also offers Mass cards for Easter, Christmas, Mother’s Day, and Father’s Day.Even with 6 Masses said on a normal Sunday, I have no idea how they fill all those requests.

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For Mothers Day and Father’s Day we have a novena of masses. Everyone who filled out a card (they do not need to leave a donation but usually all do) is included in one mass a day for nine days after Mother’s Day or Father’s Day. We do not accept intentions for these two holidays nor for CHristmas and Easter so that the priest can pray for his own intention those days (also it stops what we call Mass hogs, those who “buy” up as many masses as they can especially on special days.) We put all the envelopes in the sanctuary in a basket and at intention time we pray for all those enrolled in the novena, not individually by name. The priest only gets one stipend. The rest of the offerings go to the parish.
 
For Mothers Day and Father’s Day we have a novena of masses. Everyone who filled out a card (they do not need to leave a donation but usually all do) is included in one mass a day for nine days after Mother’s Day or Father’s Day. We do not accept intentions for these two holidays nor for CHristmas and Easter so that the priest can pray for his own intention those days (also it stops what we call Mass hogs, those who “buy” up as many masses as they can especially on special days.) We put all the envelopes in the sanctuary in a basket and at intention time we pray for all those enrolled in the novena, not individually by name. The priest only gets one stipend. The rest of the offerings go to the parish.
That is probably exactly how my parish handles it and I’ve never really read the fine print. :o There is a card that you can fill out and give to the person, and then a small offering envelope where you also write the person’s name. They are obviously from a Catholic publisher or supply house.
 
Our parish had a problem with backlogged Mass Intentions. A 3 year backlog! Our parish office staff were never given clear instructions on booking Mass Intentions, so they kept booking. When our present pastor arrived, he took one look at the Mass Intentions log, and went ballistic.

There were so many Mass Intentions, our parish office staff was doubling, sometimes tripling Mass Intentions for 1 Mass.

Father arranged for the Franciscan-Capuchins, and the Carmelite monasteries to take our backlog. He set down rules: only one intention per Mass, each person wanting a Mass intention is limited to 6/year(this will be re-evaluated at a later date). Sometimes, it’s hard to get a specific date, but usually, there’s an open Mass close to the desired date. It’s helped quite a bit.

For special days, i.e. Mother’s Day, Father’s Day, etc, we have special envelopes. People write the names of their relatives, or whoever on the envelope, slip their donation inside, put the envelope in the donation basket, or turn it into the parish office. The envelopes are collected, tied together with a ribbon, and placed on the altar for the 9 days leading up to the special day.
 
As a new Catholic. I’m confused. Will someone explain to me why there is a limit on how many people a Mass can be said for?
I really have no idea why this is such an issue. We do not limit intentions to one. The canon that is evoked was intended to prevent priests from simony, that is, stacking intentions to make a bunch of money. Our priest does not even require a stipend and those that pay give to St. Vincent de Paul. We usually have one to three intentions per Mass.

The priest also adds an intention for any parishoner who died during the week.
 
I really have no idea why this is such an issue. We do not limit intentions to one. The canon that is evoked was intended to prevent priests from simony, that is, stacking intentions to make a bunch of money. Our priest does not even require a stipend and those that pay give to St. Vincent de Paul. We usually have one to three intentions per Mass.

The priest also adds an intention for any parishoner who died during the week.
So, you still only have one paid Mass intention per Mass, but you add various extra intentions to the Prayers of the Faithful?
 
I really have no idea why this is such an issue. We do not limit intentions to one. The canon that is evoked was intended to prevent priests from simony, that is, stacking intentions to make a bunch of money. Our priest does not even require a stipend and those that pay give to St. Vincent de Paul. We usually have one to three intentions per Mass.
This sounds sketchy according to the complexities and legalities outlined in Canon Law and moral theology regarding stipends, and Mass intentions.
 
So, you still only have one paid Mass intention per Mass, but you add various extra intentions to the Prayers of the Faithful?
Yes. No more than one can be paid, as per canon law. If there is more than one person who has passed, both are mentioned in the Eucharistic Prayer.
This sounds sketchy according to the complexities and legalities outlined in Canon Law and moral theology regarding stipends, and Mass intentions.
Why? Canon Law only limits the number of stipends that can be received. No where is prayer limited, or is the priest obligated to take money, or is the priest barred from donating that stipend as he wishes.
 
I know that we very frequently (as in every Sunday practically) have a Mass said for this one person. I am not sure how that happened but somebody must have asked our priest to say a whole year’s worth of Masses for this person because Mass has been offered up for this same person for probably about a year now.

Oh, I forgot to mention. My parish is a very small one.
 
we have a similar issue with number of people on the prayer list and who should be on. The priest is simple about it - if they want to be on, then be on.

But parishioners think if you are in church then you shouldn’t be on because you’re well enough etc… People who don’t go to church are on. People who do go to church put the ones who don’t go on. Most probably have no idea they are on a prayer list. We got told we should ask their permission first. But they won’t know what is being asked if they don’t go. “Can I put you on a prayer list” people who don’t go to church at all wouldn’t know what that meant etc. And those who have family members who do the deed, its about them isn’t it rather than the person who is sick. Most people who don’t go to church also know to keep their christian friend at peace by simply agreeing because the argument will go away quicker I reckon too. Because its more about the person putting them on the sick list - prayer list rather than the person on the prayer list - it seems.

The priest is simple about it. He says if they want to be on then they will go on and have pointed out that there are people who should be on it but not.

its a political thing when it gets discussed in our church:mad:

just a similar problem that no one really knows what to do about it because they all want to tell each other they shouldn’t be on
 
This sounds sketchy according to the complexities and legalities outlined in Canon Law and moral theology regarding stipends, and Mass intentions.
Per Canon Law, the priest who is given a stipend must celebrate the Mass for only that person’s intention. As I see it, if he doesn’t take a stipend he’s pretty much free to add anyone to his intention for a Mass.
 
we have a similar issue with number of people on the prayer list and who should be on. The priest is simple about it - if they want to be on, then be on.

But parishioners think if you are in church then you shouldn’t be on because you’re well enough etc… People who don’t go to church are on. People who do go to church put the ones who don’t go on. Most probably have no idea they are on a prayer list. We got told we should ask their permission first. But they won’t know what is being asked if they don’t go. “Can I put you on a prayer list” people who don’t go to church at all wouldn’t know what that meant etc. And those who have family members who do the deed, its about them isn’t it rather than the person who is sick. Most people who don’t go to church also know to keep their christian friend at peace by simply agreeing because the argument will go away quicker I reckon too. Because its more about the person putting them on the sick list - prayer list rather than the person on the prayer list - it seems.

The priest is simple about it. He says if they want to be on then they will go on and have pointed out that there are people who should be on it but not.

its a political thing when it gets discussed in our church:mad:

just a similar problem that no one really knows what to do about it because they all want to tell each other they shouldn’t be on
The name of the person for whom the Mass is offered is not always mentioned in the EP, since not all EP’s allow that as an option. At the Saturday evening Mass it’s mentioned in the Prayers of the Faithful but at daily Mass the priest just announces it at the start, “Mass today is offered for “the repose of the soul”, “the anniversary”, “the birthday”, etc, of N. at the request of N.”

We used to have a spot in our bulletin where we listed the sick of our parish or those for whom parishioners wanted us to pray. 3 or 4 people who were at Mass every week were on the list for at least 7 years. It became a bit ridiculous. Then there were those who were dying with cancer but didn’t want their names added because 'they weren’t sick enough".

Finally, we put a loose leaf binder at the back of the church along with a pen and people were invited to add whatever intentions they wanted in the book.

At daily Mass the Prayers of the Faithful are always the ones in the Missalette.

At Sunday Masses we do our own and they are always are structured thus:

For N. for whom this Mass is offered at the request of N. & N

For the sick (especially N., N. & N. ) – These names are people whom we have been requested to add as they are very ill in the hospital. They’re only named once then they are written in the book. It must be at the family’s request because of privacy.

For the dead (especially N., N., & N.) – These are newly deceased whose families have asked us to pray for them.

For our own personal intentions (pause) and for all the intentions entered in our book…
 
I’m not sure how to interpret Canon 948. It seems to preclude the practice of some parishes of ‘doubling up’ on Mass intentions, even if the priest is only receiving one stipend.
I know little of canon law, but in the English, this is not the literal interpretation of 948.

I found this article:

ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CCLSTIPN.HTM
Because the matter directly affects the Most blessed Sacrament, even the slightest appearance of profit or simony would cause a scandal.
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The faithful are also free to combine their intentions and offerings for the celebration of a single Mass for these intentions.

Quite different, however, is the case of those priests who, indiscriminately gathering the offerings of the faithful which are destined for the celebration of Masses according to particular intentions, “accumulate them in a single offering and satisfy them with a single Mass”, celebrated according to what is called a “collective intention.”
Thus, it seems that it is not multiple intentions that is being addressed by 948, but simony. What I do not understand is why anyone would object to having another intention said at a Mass with their intention. Is it superstition or a lack of grasp of infinity? Grace cut in half remains the same.
 
What I do not understand is why anyone would object to having another intention said at a Mass with their intention. Is it superstition or a lack of grasp of infinity? Grace cut in half remains the same.
Our pastor says: people paying for a Mass intention, deserve the entire Mass for their intention. Well, even if they don’t pay, no Mass intention is refused.

I don’t believe, anyone has asked Father, if this a personal rule, or canon law. He absolutely refuses to stack intentions.
 
Our pastor says: people paying for a Mass intention, deserve the entire Mass for their intention. Well, even if they don’t pay, no Mass intention is refused.

I don’t believe, anyone has asked Father, if this a personal rule, or canon law. He absolutely refuses to stack intentions.
If they are paying, the canon law mentioned above does apply. I am curious as to how this works though, since the entire Mass is always said.

I guess what I do not understand is why one would want a Mass for a loved one said with that as the only intention, as opposed to one of two or three intentions. The available grace is the same.
 
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