The Queenship of Mary

[DaisyD]

Do you see anything in my writings that says I sacrifice anything? You misread (intentionally I suspect) the meaning of “offering”. You wish you had a case here…too bad you’ve been taught wrong from pulpits and your own readings and study.

in one of your posts yesterday you said you sacrifice to Mary.

 

[Church_Militant]

in one of your posts yesterday you said you sacrifice to Mary.

Please feel free to find and quote that. I don’t think you’ll find it saying what you assert. I know what i said… I say it almost every day.

 

[DaisyD]

Please feel free to find and quote that. I don’t think you’ll find it saying what you assert. I know what i said… I say it almost every day.

Post #4

 

[Church_Militant]

Post #4

Does it say sacrifice?

The sacrifices are of my ego to God, the merit of which is for graces to win souls to Christ…thus expanding His Kingdom throughout all the world.

Just as Knights of the Immaculata have been doing since St. Maximillian Kolbe founded us back before WWII.

 

[jmcrae]

Is today really Queen of Heaven Day?

Yep!

Will there be any cakes?

No. Lots of Bible reading, though!

 

[DaisyD]

Sorry, but 12:17 blows your whole premise all to pieces. **17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. ** (DRB)

The Ark of the first covenant contained the tablets of the law etc.

The Ark of the new covenant was a human woman, chosen and purified by God Himself, and carried within it for a time the New Covenant of Christ. Just reading the New Testament for oneself makes this pretty plain.

I thought Mary didn’t have any other offspring. Perpetual virgin remember. So the woman could not be Mary. Thanks for the help proving my point.

 

[DaisyD]

Immaculata, Queen and Mother of the Church, I renew
my consecration to you this day and for always, so that
you may use me for the coming of the Kingdom of Jesus
in the whole world. To this end I offer you all my prayers,
actions and sacrifices of this day.

QUOTE]

I see the word sacrifices.

 

[LilyM]

I thought Mary didn’t have any other offspring. Perpetual virgin remember. So the woman could not be Mary. Thanks for the help proving my point.

Rot - we are ***all ***her children in Christ (members of His own body, remember - what mother rejects a part of the body of her child? She’s mother of all).

Even you who don’t recognise her as your mother - she loves you as she loves Him, prays for you, probably weeps over you when you do wrong or when you suffer.

How on earth can the woman, the mother of the King of Kings in Revelation, NOT be Mary? As well as all the other things the woman stands for? To not recognise this is only explainable as wilful blindness.

 

[Church_Militant]

I thought Mary didn’t have any other offspring. Perpetual virgin remember. So the woman could not be Mary. Thanks for the help proving my point.

Wrong again…at the foot of the cross Jesus gave her to us all as His mother. Moreover, does not the New Testament call us children of God and joint heirs with Christ? Then we are part of His family and His mother is also ours.

Take it all in the scriptural context instead of your biased teachings and you’ll get it as the Holy Spirit teaches you.

 

[jmcrae]

I thought Mary didn’t have any other offspring. Perpetual virgin remember. So the woman could not be Mary. Thanks for the help proving my point.

If Jesus is your brother, and God the Father is your Father, then Mary is your mother.

 

[Church_Militant]

QUOTE=DaisyD;2622325]

Immaculata, Queen and Mother of the Church, I renew
my consecration to you this day and for always, so that
you may use me for the coming of the Kingdom of Jesus
in the whole world. To this end I offer you all my prayers,
actions and sacrifices of this day.

QUOTE]

I see the word sacrifices.See post #44

 

[DaisyD]

Rot - we are ***
How on earth can the woman, the mother of the King of Kings in Revelation, NOT be Mary? As well as all the other things the woman stands for? To not recognise this is only explainable as wilful blindness.***

The woman refers to the nation of Israel which brought forth the Messiah.
Mary is not my mother.
Mary was the mother of Jesus.
No where in scripture does it say Mary has authority over me.
I worship and I’m obedient to God the Father. And Mary is not His wife.
Remember this: Jesus created Mary before the foundations of the world. Mary didn’t create Jesus.

 

[DaisyD]

QUOTE=DaisyD;2622325]See post #44

A sacrifice is a sacrifice.

 

[Church_Militant]

The woman refers to the nation of Israel which brought forth the Messiah.

In only one meaning of a passage of this kind. You intentionally ignore the other meanings.

Mary is not my mother.

Your problem…

Mary was the mother of Jesus.

Yep.

No where in scripture does it say Mary has authority over me.

No one has asserted that she does.

I worship and I’m obedient to God the Father. And Mary is not His wife.

Good for you, but no one has asserted that Mary is God’s wife…still, does not the New Testament tell us that the Holy Spirit overshadowed her in order for her to conceive Our Lord? Doesn’t that make you rethink your assertion?

Remember this: Jesus created Mary before the foundations of the world. Mary didn’t create Jesus.

No one and definitely not the Catholic Church has taught this. This is called a “straw man argument” did you have fun beating up on it?

 

[Church_Militant]

A sacrifice is a sacrifice.

I can’t help it if you chose to intentionally misinterpret my post… I’m sure it suits your personal anti-Catholic agenda…

 

[Mannyfit75]

The woman inRev12 is the nation of Israel the twelve stars are the twelve tribes

That’s correct but Israel did not gave birth to Jesus. Mary did if you interpret the Passage in Rev 12:1 in the literal sense.

Catholic tend to interpret this part of Scripture in both Symbolic and Literal Sense.

In Symbolic meaning the woman is the Israel, though the argument for that case is weak in my opinion. The woman is the Church, which has a strong case because the woman has offspring who followers of Jesus Christ. She is Mary because the woman gave birth to a male child, who will rule all nations. This child is Jesus just as I have stated earlier.

Neither interpretation is incorrect. There is strong case however to show that the woman is in Mary, and the Church.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Gee, Daisy, I keep seeing ‘God the Father’ is the one you worship.

What about “God the Son?” Do you worship Him?

How about “God the Holy Spirit”?

I don’t see you offering worship to God as Triune God.

Is Jesus equal to the Father? The Spirit?

 

[Church_Militant]

Gee, Daisy, I keep seeing ‘God the Father’ is the one you worship.

What about “God the Son?” Do you worship Him?

How about “God the Holy Spirit”?

I don’t see you offering worship to God as Triune God.

Is Jesus equal to the Father? The Spirit?

Is she “Oneness” perhaps?

 

[DaisyD]

Sense.

In Symbolic meaning the woman is the Israel, though the argument for that case is weak in my opinion. The woman is the Church, which has a strong case because the woman has offspring who followers of Jesus Christ. She is Mary because the woman gave birth to a male child, who will rule all nations. This child is Jesus just as I have stated earlier.

Neither interpretation is incorrect. There is strong case however to show that the woman is in Mary, and the Church.

The church definitely didn’t give birth to Jesus. Conversely Jesus gave birth to the church.
The woman could not be Mary because verse12:17 says she had other offspring and you know Mary didn’t have other children, right?

 

[DaisyD]

Gee, Daisy, I keep seeing ‘God the Father’ is the one you worship.

What about “God the Son?” Do you worship Him?

How about “God the Holy Spirit”?

I don’t see you offering worship to God as Triune God.

Is Jesus equal to the Father? The Spirit?

I worship the father as Jesus instructed.
I pray in Jesus name.
I believe in the trinity
I pray the Holy Spirit speak through me and dwell inside me.

However Mary has nothing to do with the trinity.
There is no reason for me to worship her.
I do called her blessed though.