The recent conversations about abortion have me flustered

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JohnStrachan:
I am passionately pro-life - thanks to my Catholic upbringing. There are so many things I love about Anglicanism but your lack of a moral imperative is painful.
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What branch of Anglicanism are you? I was raised in a fiercely pro-life ACC (Anglican Catholic Church, for those who don’t know). In my experience, some Anglicans are strongly pro-life and others are spineless on the issue.
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Do the ACC’s prohibit artificial birth control also?
 
Depends. The subsets of motley Anglicans are themselves motley.

I agree with the Catholic position (and with every Protestant denomination until, to our shame, the Anglicans broke the dam at Lambeth).
 
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HopkinsReb said:
Depends. The subsets of motley Anglicans are themselves motley.

I agree with the Catholic position (and with every Protestant denomination until, to our shame, the Anglicans broke the dam at Lambeth).
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I think that position is what Catholic natural law philosophers and theologians deemed essential to the fundamental human beings right to life. Invading the bodies creative process to prevent the possibility of new life renders the arguments against abortion void. It’s impossible for an honest theologian to agree with contraception while disagreeing with abortion.
 
HopkinsReb said:
I don’t think that’s correct. One can support contraception while opposing murder of infants.
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Not if one is aware of the justifications for both at the theological, philosophical and legal levels. The justification used in Griswold (1965) to allow contraception, translated to Roe just 8 years later to justify abortion.

"The transition from Griswold to Roe , from contraception to abortion, was even more radical and took an even shorter time. I would suggest that the suddenness of this transition places the burden of proof on those who deny the causal relation between contraception and abortion.

Someone in considering this may think, “Well, I have used contraception, but I don’t believe in the ‘right to privacy’ of Griswold or in abortion.” I would ask such a person to consider whether you really do grant that law could, in principle, overrule your decision to use contraception. If not, you implicitly accept that there is a right to contraception, and, if my argument is correct, you have accepted the common reasoning which leads to abortion."

 
Simple! Do not stress.

Read Newman.
Read Chesterton.
Read Ronald Knox.

I am no one, but I am personally inviting you.

Come home. Be at peace.
 
It’s easier to blame society than your own shortcomings.

While the only person you are guaranteed you can change is yourself, a lot of emphasis is placed on societal, as opposed to personal sins to spread the responsibility and work thin.
 
“Everyone else” once believed the world was flat.

The RCC is the common denominator…most definitely not a denomination. A good way to describe us is as one of the three branches of Christianity. It’s less offensive in this description.
 
mrsdizzyd said:
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HopkinsReb:
I don’t think that’s correct. One can support contraception while opposing murder of infants.
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Of course some contraceptive methods also murder infants…
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Indeed. But not all.

Though I suppose one could argue that, strictly speaking, contraception (literally “against conception”) doesn’t cause infanticide because for it to do so, conception must have already happened and we’re therefore dealing with an abortifacient, not a contraceptive. But that’s not the common usage and it’s splitting hairs.
Emeraldlady said:
Not if one is aware of the justifications for both at the theological, philosophical and legal levels. The justification used in Griswold (1965) to allow contraception, translated to Roe just 8 years later to justify abortion.
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This is silly. Being ok with condoms is a morally different thing than being ok with infanticide. It’s comparing apples and orangutans. Just because infanticide is often used as birth control doesn’t mean that all birth control falls into the same moral category.
 
That’s awful and I am very sorry you experienced this. I know others in the Church who were abused and in some cases, took years to come back home. I had one very compassionate priest tell me he really doesn’t blame anyone who suffered this sort of abuse for leaving and never returning …

It’s a rampant problem in the Church…one of her many flaws. After all, it’s run by sinners and overall, just full of sinners. And it’s not just a Catholic problem…Heck, a Baptist youth minister sexually molested my sister and his Pastor allowed him to stay in the Church until he was finally arrested for it…endangering more kids.

I cast no personal judgment on you. I will just say that I hope that one day you do come back home. We need good Christians like yourself to help make her a better place.
 
I think he knows that Anglicans, of various stripes and flavors, are in the nooks and crannies here.
 
Then why didn’t he explain this was a question for the Anglicans. He posted it in an open way that really didn’t explain that
 
But you can read them all, collect them all and still be an Anglican.
 
You are obviously not in the environment to hear Anglican denunciations of abortion. Though you could find such an environment, as you likely know. But that might require you to find other things spoken for or against, proscribed or mandated, that might go against your convictions in other areas.
 
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