The Repentagram. Is it evil?

[RandomAlias]

Thanks. Today is the start of Ordinary Time, so I switched to green just like the priest’s vestments.

 

[RandomAlias]

An 8-point star inscribed in a circle would look more like a flat (non-perspective) cross.

I happened to notice that CAF member @Mary888 has such a figure at the center of her avatar:

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[Tis_Bearself]

I wouldn’t wear it to Mass, but that’s only because I don’t tend to show up at Mass all decked out flying my metal colors. Might scare some old lady (one whose kid isn’t in a band, which around here eliminates a lot of the old ladies)

P.S. If they did rip off the Enneagram symbol and rename it, that’s lame though, get some originality.

 

[Annie]

I don’t think they ripped off the enneageam sgmbol; seeing it in Mary’s picture made me realize it is an old quilting pattern!

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Actually, that cross perspective you posted there would make a kick-(bodypart) graphic

 

[RandomAlias]

It certainly is memorable.

 

[CharlesFulkerson]

well of course not. lol

 

[Annie]

I.googgled it, and it was in the first two patterns, then in several more! https://www.google.com/search?clien...I6mMKHXlaCmgQ4lYIQCgA&biw=528&bih=240&dpr=1.5

 

[PetraG]

I wouldn’t wear it to Mass, but that’s only because I don’t tend to show up at Mass all decked out flying my metal colors. Might scare some old lady (one whose kid isn’t in a band, which around here eliminates a lot of the old ladies)

P.S. If they did rip off the Enneagram symbol and rename it, that’s lame though, get some originality.

I thought it looked as if they were into the enneagram, too, since that is a system to categorized people according to the temptations to which they are supposedly the most vulnerable. Is it even possible to “rip off” a symbol that Fr. Richard Rohr himself implied was some ancient Sufi thing (even though I have never heard any actual evidence to support that contention)?

I would not worry, at any rate, that Richard Rohr’s attorneys are going to be knocking at their door with a cease and desist order.

 

[CharlesFulkerson]

I am officially confused. What are you guys talking about?

 

[PetraG]

I happened to notice that CAF member @Mary888 has such a figure at the center of her avatar:

Not the same. Theirs is 9-pointed and only has one plane of symmetry (down the center).

Theirs would actually be kind of a pain to quilt. It is chock-full of irregular polygons.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

They probably won’t get sued, but it would be easy enough for a band to come up with their own symbol without “borrowing” someone else’s. Bands tend to have a ton of very creative people either playing in them or hanging around them, I’m sure they could ask their Facebook fan base to design something and have 10 great symbols in a week.

 

[PetraG]

They may be extremely “into” the enneagram, though. It can be a gospel all of its own to some people.

 

[RandomAlias]

Not the same. Theirs is 9-pointed and…

I totally agree. I had originally meant only to say that the cross appears more naturally in an 8-pointed star, which is the quilting pattern as seen in Mary888’s avatar. To perceive a cross in a 9-pointed star is more of a stretch.

 

[Raxus]

I think the idea that anything can be elevated to a holy or devout state simply by tacking “Christian” onto it somewhere is ludicrous.

Metal music is Christian in name only. Shrieking into a mike until one’s throat is in tatters is not a Christian way to worship and does not reflect the dignity and respect due to God the Almighty Father.

As such, I think the “Repentagram” is a stupid, stupid idea. We have the holy Cross to bring our attention to higher, better things. No need to reinvent the wheel. We are to become more like God, not make God more like us.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Well, if you don’t like it you don’t have to wear it or listen to it.

I’m happy that there are genres of music out there bringing Christ into environments and to people who need him in a way that they will listen to.

 

[Raxus]

Well, if you don’t like it you don’t have to wear it or listen to it.

Amen!

I’m happy that there are genres of music out there bringing Christ into environments

Or thinking they are, at any rate.

and to people who need him in a way that they will listen to.

I think we should give people more credit and emphasize that there are environments out there that are more conducive to being at peace with and close to Christ. We don’t need to water down the Truth with the flavor of the world.

 

[CharlesFulkerson]

I think the idea that anything can be elevated to a holy or devout state simply by tacking “Christian” onto it somewhere is ludicrous.

if you listen to the music it is actually very Christian.The lyrics are all preaching the word of the lord and they are all devout to their faith.

Metal music is Christian in name only.

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The same can be said for any other music preaching the gospel.

Shrieking into a mike until one’s throat is in tatters is not a Christian way to worship and does not reflect the dignity and respect due to God the Almighty Father.

First of all: The band in question are a deathcore/death metal/ white metal band. The use of shrieking is VERY, VERY limited. The vocalists in these genres mainly use low growls and gutturals, however the occasional accented scream is used. If you were to take a listen you would maybe know that.

2nd: To get the controlled tone that these vocalists have, you must practice and devolop your voice for YEARS. The first thing you are told when you are learning to be a screamer/growler is to NOT sing from your throat. In most of the common vocal techniques, your vocal cords are actually “closed” . if you are a skilled vocalist then you should have 100% no worries about your throat “tattering”

3rd: does it really matter HOW you worship the Lord? As long as you are being honest in the worship and you are actually putting your heart into it, I doubt God cares if you are singing, chanting like a munk, rapping, growling, writing poems, or plain praying.

4th: The members of these bands are using their GOD GIVEN talents to praise the lord in a community of people that are often times pagan, atheistic, or satanic. They are making a stand against what is wrong. Many CHRISTIAN metal artists have received DEATH THREATS from members of satanic bands and from the fans of those bands, yet they still do what they do. They are putting there life on the line in order to praise our Lord and Savior. I’d say that they are pretty serious about their faith and that they are giving the Lord their UP-MOST RESPECT. May you remind me when the last time someone threatened you because of of your faith was?

As such, I think the “Repentagram” is a stupid, stupid idea.

. Its fine that you think that. Its your opinion and you are entitled to having such.

We have the holy Cross to bring our attention to higher, better things.

That is true. That also is not the point of the symbol. It is mocking the dark side of extreme metal. It is pretty much saying: “You know that symbol that you worship, the pentagram? Well look what we did to it! We made it holy!! How strong are your false gods now?”. It also sometimes tricks non religious people into listening to the music which then will start to affect there mind in a positive way.

 

[CharlesFulkerson]

We are to become more like God, not make God more like us.

by making a symbol to combat satanism we are in away trying to become more like God. This action is a step of holiness. Being willing to defend your religion like this is no small thing. I don’t see how you think we are trying to make god more like us. He is still being worshiped through these actions, whereas if we wanted him to be like us we most likely would not worship as much (in an attempt to make him seem equal).

 

[Mary888]

I just composed this myself made of circles and octogons. Is it evil? Because someone told me 8 is a good number. If it is evil I will change it. I thought it can’t be evil since it’s custom made and hasn’t been through any magical usage whatsoever since I just made it.