The Right's Assault on Kofi Annan

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Killing children is no longer a big deal

by Gideon Levy

Haaretz Oct. 17, 2004

"The plain fact, which must be stated clearly, is that the blood of hundreds of Palestinian children is on our hands."
More than 30 Palestinian children were killed in the first two weeks of Operation Days of Penitence in the Gaza Strip (beginning September 30, 2004). It’s no wonder that many people term such wholesale killing of children “terror.” Whereas in the overall count of all the victims of the intifada the ratio is three Palestinians killed for every Israeli killed, when it comes to children the ratio is 5:1. According to B’Tselem, the human rights organization, even before the current operation in Gaza, 557 Palestinian minors (below the age of 18) were killed, compared to 110 Israeli minors.

Palestinian human rights groups speak of even higher numbers: 598 Palestinian children killed (up to age 17), according to the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group, and 828 killed (up to age 18) according to the Red Crescent. Take note of the ages, too. According to B’Tselem, whose data are updated until about a month ago, 42 of the children who have been killed were 10; 20 were seven; and eight were two years old when they died. The youngest victims are 13 newborn infants who died at checkpoints during birth.

With horrific statistics like this, the question of who is a terrorist should have long since become very burdensome for every Israeli. Yet it is not on the public agenda. Child killers are always the Palestinians, the soldiers always only defend us and themselves, and the hell with the statistics.

The plain fact, which must be stated clearly, is that the blood of hundreds of Palestinian children is on our hands. No tortuous explanation by the IDF Spokesman’s Office or by the military correspondents about the dangers posed to soldiers by the children, and no dubious excuse by the public relations people in the Foreign Ministry about how the Palestinians are making use of children will change that fact. An army that kills so many children is an army with no restraints, an army that has lost its moral code.

As MK Ahmed Tibi (Hadash) said, in a particularly emotional speech in the Knesset, it is no longer possible to claim that all these children were killed by mistake. An army doesn’t make more than 500 day-to-day mistakes of identity. No, this is not a mistake but the disastrous result of a policy driven mainly by an appallingly light trigger finger and by the dehumanization of the Palestinians.

Shooting at everything that moves, including children, has become normative behavior. Even the momentary mini-furor that erupted over the “confirming of the killing” of a 13-year-old girl, Iman Alhamas, did not revolve around the true question. The scandal should have been generated by the very act of the killing itself, not only by what followed.

Iman was not the only one. Mohammed Aaraj was eating a sandwich in front of his house, the last house before the cemetery of the Balata refugee camp, in Nablus, when a soldier shot him to death at fairly close range. He was six at the time of his death.

Kristen Saada was in her parents’ car, on the way home from a family visit, when soldiers sprayed the car with bullets. She was 12 at the time of her death. The brothers Jamil and Ahmed Abu Aziz were riding their bicycles in full daylight, on their way to buy sweets, when they sustained a direct hit from a shell fired by an Israeli tank crew. Jamil was 13, Ahmed six, at the time of their deaths.

Muatez Amudi and Subah Subah were killed by a soldier who was standing in the village square in Burkin and fired every which way in the wake of stone-throwing. Radir Mohammed from Khan Yunis refugee camp was in a school classroom when soldiers shot her to death. She was 12 when she died. All of them were innocent of wrongdoing and were killed by soldiers acting in our name.

At least in some of these cases it was clear to the soldiers that they were shooting at children, but that didn’t stop them. Palestinian children have no refuge: mortal danger lurks for them in their homes, in their schools and on their streets.
 
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Not one of the hundreds of children who have been killed deserved to die, and the responsibility for their killing cannot remain anonymous. Thus the message is conveyed to the soldiers: it’s no tragedy to kill children and none of you is guilty.
Death is, of course, the most acute danger that confronts a Palestinian child, but it is not the only one. According to data of the Palestinian Ministry of Education, 3,409 schoolchildren have been wounded in the intifada, some of them crippled for life.

The childhood of tens of thousands of Palestinian youngsters is being lived from one trauma to the next, from horror to horror. Their homes are demolished, their parents are humiliated in front of their eyes, soldiers storm into their homes brutally in the middle of the night, tanks open fire on their classrooms. And they don’t have a psychological service. Have you ever heard of a Palestinian child who is a “victim of anxiety”?

The public indifference that accompanies this pageant of unrelieved suffering makes all Israelis accomplices to a crime. Even parents, who understand what anxiety for a child’s fate means, turn away and don’t want to hear about the anxiety harbored by the parent on the other side of the fence.

Who would have believed that Israeli soldiers would kill hundreds of children and that the majority of Israelis would remain silent? Even the Palestinian children have become part of the dehumanization campaign: killing hundreds of them is no longer a big deal.
 
St. James:
The Israeli offenses which I’ve listed have all been discussed at this forum during the time which you have been active. The offenses were clearly documented in the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, among others. The opportunity to speak out about these offenses was there to you.

You did not speak out. Yet you claim to, “speak out when you think Isreal does wrong.”

Shall I assume that you don’t believe that it’s wrong for Israeli soldiers to kill children, for Israel to spy on it’s so-called allies, and for Israeli orthodox Judaics to spit on Christians?

The election is important, sure. So is the killing of children by Israeli soldiers, I’d say more so.
Again. My attention was with the election.

Israel has proven itself to be a more or less stable democracy in the Middle East fighting for its existance, pretty much, in isolation against enemies on all sides. The PA has proven to be a terrorist government supporting planned terrorist attacks upon innocent civilians. I am not sure where you are going with all this.

What country are you from?
 
Church Flap In Jerusalem: Bad Blood — And Saliva
By Eric J. Greenberg
Forward (newspaper, New York) October 22, 2004

It has been Jerusalem’s dirty little secret for decades: Orthodox
yeshiva students and other Jewish residents vandalizing churches and spitting on Christian clergyman as they walk along the narrow, ancient stone streets of the Old City.

Now, however, following a highly publicized fracas last week between a yeshiva student and the archbishop of Jerusalem’s Armenian Church, the issue is generating unprecedented media attention in Israel. The fight started after a yeshiva student at the respected Har Hamor yeshiva spat on Archbishop Nourhan Manougian during a Christian holy procession in the Old City…

forward.com/main/article…erg200410201103
 
St James the difference is that the INTENT of the Israelis is not to kill children. You cannot say the same for the Palestinian who blows up a bus or pizza parlor. Yes the Israelis retaliate and there is collateral damage and yes that includes children. But the Israelis are not strapping bombs onto 16 year old girls and sending them to the market to blow up CIVILIANS. Does this make ANY difference to you?

Apologists for the PA astonish me. Arafat designed modern terrorism, the highjackings, the suicide bombers. He was FILTHY rich while his people lived in abject squalor. Look at the catfight of his lovely wife for the ill gotten gains.

When Israel starts using the same disgraceful tactics as the PA, then I’ll hold them to the same standard. So far I don’t see any evidence of a deliberate attempt to murder those not involved in terrorism.

Lisa N
 
Israeli spy’s passport sparks row

Saturday January 1, 2005
The Guardian


The use of forged British passports by Mossad assassination squads triggered a Foreign Office protest.

But just as diplomats were about to call in the Israeli ambassador, it was discovered that civil servants elsewhere in Whitehall were in the process of renewing the UK passport held by a senior Israeli secret service agent.

“David Kimche is… controller of Israeli intelligence service operations in western Europe,” a secret Foreign Office memo said in 1974. “He is a member of the diplomatic staff in the Paris embassy. He was born in the UK and for many years had a British passport. This has expired.”

The murders of a Moroccan in Norway and Arab activists in Lebanon had infuriated diplomats when it was discovered that both had been carried out by Mossad agents, several of whom were using falsified British documents.

The realisation that Kimche was about to get a new passport astonished officials. “This is really extraordinary,” one wrote. “At the same time as the minister is about to protest to the Israeli ambassador over the misuse of British passports for Israeli intelligence operations, we are apparently contemplating issuing a British passport to a man who may well have been in charge of the operation complained of.” Kimche was discouraged from applying.

politics.guardian.co.uk/politicspast/story/0,9061,1381811,00.html
 
St. James:
Church Flap In Jerusalem: Bad Blood — And Saliva
By Eric J. Greenberg
Forward (newspaper, New York) October 22, 2004

It has been Jerusalem’s dirty little secret for decades: Orthodox
yeshiva students and other Jewish residents vandalizing churches and spitting on Christian clergyman as they walk along the narrow, ancient stone streets of the Old City.

Now, however, following a highly publicized fracas last week between a yeshiva student and the archbishop of Jerusalem’s Armenian Church, the issue is generating unprecedented media attention in Israel. The fight started after a yeshiva student at the respected Har Hamor yeshiva spat on Archbishop Nourhan Manougian during a Christian holy procession in the Old City…

forward.com/main/article…erg200410201103
Doesn’t look like the Israeli state is condoning such actions, does it? Same thing happens in the United States, by the way amongst different groups. Thugs will always be with us. It is a police matter.

What country are you from?
 
St. James said:
Israeli spy’s passport sparks row

Saturday January 1, 2005
The Guardian


The use of forged British passports by Mossad assassination squads triggered a Foreign Office protest.

But just as diplomats were about to call in the Israeli ambassador, it was discovered that civil servants elsewhere in Whitehall were in the process of renewing the UK passport held by a senior Israeli secret service agent.

“David Kimche is… controller of Israeli intelligence service operations in western Europe,” a secret Foreign Office memo said in 1974. “He is a member of the diplomatic staff in the Paris embassy. He was born in the UK and for many years had a British passport. This has expired.”

The murders of a Moroccan in Norway and Arab activists in Lebanon had infuriated diplomats when it was discovered that both had been carried out by Mossad agents, several of whom were using falsified British documents.

The realisation that Kimche was about to get a new passport astonished officials. “This is really extraordinary,” one wrote. “At the same time as the minister is about to protest to the Israeli ambassador over the misuse of British passports for Israeli intelligence operations, we are apparently contemplating issuing a British passport to a man who may well have been in charge of the operation complained of.” Kimche was discouraged from applying.

politics.guardian.co.uk/politicspast/story/0,9061,1381811,00.html

Where those people who were killed people who wanted to hurt Israel… Gee, you think?
 
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Peacemonger:
Kofi is HATED by American conservatives so any charges they trump up should be carefully viewed. .
Which ones? I don’t and I doubt any of the others I suspect of being conservatives - American or otherwise- who post here do.:nope:

Maybe its that “Vast (yet still unidentified) Right-Wing Conspiracy” we used to hear so much about.:sleep:
 
Lisa N:
St James the difference is that the INTENT of the Israelis is not to kill children.
Lisa N
Israelis fired on girl ‘having identified her as a 10-year-old’, military tape shows By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem

24 November 2004 Israeli soldiers continued firing at a Palestinian girl killed in Gaza last month well after she had been identified as a frightened child, a military communications tape has revealed.

The tape is likely to be crucial in the prosecution case against the men’s company commander, who faces five charges arising from the killing of Iman al-Hams, 13, in the southern border town of Rafah on 6 October.

It shows that troops firing with light weapons and machine guns on a figure moving in a “no entry zone” close to an army outpost near the border with Egypt had swiftly discovered that she was a girl.

In the recorded exchanges someone in the operations room asks: “Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?” The observation post, housed in a watchtower, replies: “It’s a little girl. She’s running defensively eastwards, a girl of about 10. She’s behind the embankment, scared to death.”

Not until four minutes later was it reported that the girl had been hit and had fallen. The observation post reports: “Receive, I think that one of the positions took her out.” … Operations room: “What, she fell?” Observation post: “She’s not moving right now.”

The tape records the commander as telling his men, after firing at the girl with an automatic weapon and declaring he has “confirmed” the killing: “Anyone who’s mobile, moving in the zone, even if it’s a three-year-old, needs to be killed.”

Full article accompanied with video footage:

informationclearinghouse.info/article7363.htm
 
St. James said:
Israelis fired on girl ‘having identified her as a 10-year-old’, military tape shows By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem

24 November 2004 Israeli soldiers continued firing at a Palestinian girl killed in Gaza last month well after she had been identified as a frightened child, a military communications tape has revealed.

The tape is likely to be crucial in the prosecution case against the men’s company commander, who faces five charges arising from the killing of Iman al-Hams, 13, in the southern border town of Rafah on 6 October.

It shows that troops firing with light weapons and machine guns on a figure moving in a “no entry zone” close to an army outpost near the border with Egypt had swiftly discovered that she was a girl.

In the recorded exchanges someone in the operations room asks: “Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?” The observation post, housed in a watchtower, replies: “It’s a little girl. She’s running defensively eastwards, a girl of about 10. She’s behind the embankment, scared to death.”

Not until four minutes later was it reported that the girl had been hit and had fallen. The observation post reports: “Receive, I think that one of the positions took her out.” … Operations room: “What, she fell?” Observation post: “She’s not moving right now.”

The tape records the commander as telling his men, after firing at the girl with an automatic weapon and declaring he has “confirmed” the killing: “Anyone who’s mobile, moving in the zone, even if it’s a three-year-old, needs to be killed.”

Full article accompanied with video footage:

informationclearinghouse.info/article7363.htm

I am glad you posted this. This shows the difference between the two countries. The commander is now being prosecuted for murder. Not given money by the Palestinian goverment like the Palestinian terrorists are. That is the difference between Israel and the PA.
 
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gilliam:
I am glad you posted this. This shows the difference between the two countries. The commander is now being prosecuted for murder.
When a crime is as outrageous and well documented as this one is it’s rather difficult not to have to prosecute it.

This is by no means an isolated occurrence.

In any case, you have now been given a most clear opportunity to make good on your questionable claim that you “speak out when Israel is wrong.” Any comments?
 
St. James:
When a crime is as outrageous and well documented as this one is it’s rather difficult not to have to prosecute it.

This is by no means an isolated occurance.

In any case, you have now been given a most clear opportunity to make good on your questionable claim that you “speak out when Israel is wrong.” Any comments?
Israel is in the right, they are prosecuting the crime. I’ll say the PA is right if and when they prosecute a similar crime. Have they?
 
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