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Fashina86
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wait… I meant to say silly… this is a good time to open mouth, insert foot, and close mouth! I am silly not to think beofre I poste. Eamon, you are really smart and brilliant, and definately not dumb
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Convert68
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The Bible says that men should be both:
Another important point is that God created us male and female meaning male OR female. He could have made us like most plants - both male and female but designed for cross-pollination. He obviously intends us to be completely different and performing completely different roles in the family.
The idea of adaptable roles is probably the main cause of divorce in modern society. Expectations of one another are constantly in flux and points of negotiation and often not understood by the spouse who is not performing to the other’s satisfaction.
- emulators of Christ in all things
- be the heads of their households and sole supporters of their families.
Another important point is that God created us male and female meaning male OR female. He could have made us like most plants - both male and female but designed for cross-pollination. He obviously intends us to be completely different and performing completely different roles in the family.
The idea of adaptable roles is probably the main cause of divorce in modern society. Expectations of one another are constantly in flux and points of negotiation and often not understood by the spouse who is not performing to the other’s satisfaction.
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Convert68
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I am also very sorry that this horrible thing happened to you but I would hope that you would not judge all men by the criminal actions of a few.
Try looking a few things our point of view. Consider:
58,000 men (mostly young then) of my generation died violent deaths in Vietnam (only 8 women.)
97.7% of the workers who were killed on the job in my province of British Columbia in the 1990’s were men. My grandfather died in a logging accident at age 21, my father almost lost his arm to a lathe (age 24) and my other grandfather was stranded for days in freezing winter weather aboard the train he work on that had jumped the tracks on a trestle.
Both these groups of men did what society expects men to do: provide and protect.
Also consider that almost all of the innocent people released from prison in the past few years for wrongful convictions have been men convicted of rape.
Is it really a man’s world?
Cadence:
Try looking a few things our point of view. Consider:
58,000 men (mostly young then) of my generation died violent deaths in Vietnam (only 8 women.)
97.7% of the workers who were killed on the job in my province of British Columbia in the 1990’s were men. My grandfather died in a logging accident at age 21, my father almost lost his arm to a lathe (age 24) and my other grandfather was stranded for days in freezing winter weather aboard the train he work on that had jumped the tracks on a trestle.
Both these groups of men did what society expects men to do: provide and protect.
Also consider that almost all of the innocent people released from prison in the past few years for wrongful convictions have been men convicted of rape.
Is it really a man’s world?
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Boyce88
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I’m a stay at home dad who still does all the traditional man stuff so I guess I fit into the "Men should be adaptable in their roles. Rigid roles are not realistic in the complex world in which we live." catagory.
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marinebiogurl04
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I think a man should be Christ like in all aspects of life. And by doing this he will be a good husband. Which means( not in any order): being a good father, dealing with mood swings, telling her she is beautiful in the morning because that’s the time when she feels she’s not, listening to her, providing for the family, and loving her so much that it hurts. Of couse in mariage, things should go both ways. A husband and wife should also grow in faith together, like praying togeter and going to Mass together. I think that is what a man should be(whose vocation is mariage), the only problem is finding one.
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Fashina86
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I completely agree… and finding a good one always seems to present challenges!
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Black_Jaque
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Yep this about sums up women’s expectations!
Men should be divine, walk on water, feed thousands on 5 loaves and two fish, be wiser than anyone else on the face of the earth, kick sinners butts if they are other men (money changers in the temple), forgive sinners if they are women (caught in adultery), get whipped, beaten, humiliated, crucified and killed for it. THEN rise from the dead.:bigyikes:
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CheesusPowerKid
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I like them
and I’m very glad they’re around, I’m terrible at car stuff
The other thing, I do appreciate that they go to war for us. I know that there are women out there who make amazing soldiers, but I know that I would be the one running around the battle field apologzing to everyone I hurt…and most likely I’d end up getting shot in the process, so it does mean a lot that they make it their responsibility to protect us. That’s one pretty flippin’ awesome thing about guys
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and I’m very glad they’re around, I’m terrible at car stuffThe other thing, I do appreciate that they go to war for us. I know that there are women out there who make amazing soldiers, but I know that I would be the one running around the battle field apologzing to everyone I hurt…and most likely I’d end up getting shot in the process, so it does mean a lot that they make it their responsibility to protect us. That’s one pretty flippin’ awesome thing about guys
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Lisa4Catholics
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Mr Average:
Oh:bowdown: :bowdown: Mr.Average:bowdown2: Can I send my hubby to you for instruction:bowdown2:I think that a man needs to be a walking example of love to his family. Openly loving, cuddling, encouraging and spending quality time with all of his family. Lots of care and attention. Lots of laughter and playtime. A man also needs to help provide/contribute for his families needs, financial, spiritual, emotional, intellectual and to protect them from the dangers of the world. A man/father needs to know about discipline, loving discipline which allows the children to have routine and a structure they can feel secure within. Neither too harsh, nor too soft…a delicate juggling act as all the parents will surely know. :tiphat:
A man needs to honour his wife, nourish her and help her to develop into what she wants to become and what God hopes for her. Listen, take time and acknowledge that sometimes she is actually right! [lol] only messing!
I am a father and a husband myself, and I would not change this for anything.
In Peace, Mr Average.
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Lisa4Catholics
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tom.wineman said:
And sometimes it is the other way around.:crying:
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marinebiogurl04
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Black Jaque:
There is nothing wrong with having high expectations!..but of course nobody’s perfect…and when I said Christ like, I did not intend it to mean they should be able to do the things Christ did while on earth…maybe I should have said they should be good followers of Christ…
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Fashina86
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This is the way that I hear it around my town. If they aren’t being to PC about it, then it becomes one of the “women need to be subordinant and need to be the source of pleasure for men” how sad!
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Black_Jaque
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I know what you meant. My response was partly in jest, partly sarcastic. At the time I wrote it I was having a heck of a time trying to “serve as Christ served” when in my heart I was so totally wiped out.
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Black_Jaque
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Is this really all that sad?
Subordinating yourself is nothing terrible, women and men do it every day. Think about the workforce. Likely most of the people posting on these message boards are subordinate to a boss or supervisor at work. No one thinks twice about it.
So why can women run off and subordinate themselves to an employer without batting an eye, but tell them they should be subordinate to their husband and the hackles go up?
And what exactly is so terrible about being a source of pleasure for your husband? Has feminism convinced women that they should be a source of agony for their husband?
I think what you really might consider sad is when a husband doesn’t live up to his end of the bargain. Just as it is considered a great injustice when a boss withholds wages - it is more than “sad” when a husband doesn’t do his part.
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Black Jaque:
Eamon
I think she’s saying that it is sad when women are basically told that the only reason they exist is to be sex toys and objects of enjoyment for men. In that sense, I have to agree that it is a sorry view of what women are.
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Black_Jaque
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Eamon,
Yep, that’s kinda what I was getting at in my last paragraph.
1/2 of the reason women exist is to obey and give pleasure to their mates.
The other 1/2 of the reason women exist is to be served by, and receive pleasure from, their husbands.
When a person makes a statement that the 1st half is sad - just doesn’t ring right.
When a statement is made that only includes one half of the purpose, it leaves the reader trying to figure out the understood part.
So when one says women should not just obey and give pleasure, then they don’t offer a statement of what women SHOULD do it leaves part of the statement open ended - sort of like the rest of us should just know.
If women shouldn’t just obey and give pleasure, what else should they do?
Yep, that’s kinda what I was getting at in my last paragraph.
1/2 of the reason women exist is to obey and give pleasure to their mates.
The other 1/2 of the reason women exist is to be served by, and receive pleasure from, their husbands.
When a person makes a statement that the 1st half is sad - just doesn’t ring right.
When a statement is made that only includes one half of the purpose, it leaves the reader trying to figure out the understood part.
So when one says women should not just obey and give pleasure, then they don’t offer a statement of what women SHOULD do it leaves part of the statement open ended - sort of like the rest of us should just know.
If women shouldn’t just obey and give pleasure, what else should they do?
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Fashina86
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Black Jaque:
How about be role models for others and live like Mary???
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turboEDvo
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In the case of a proper relationship, then the pleasure and serving is shared. What fashina is saying is that it is sad when a man gives nothing and takes everything from a woman. The same thing rings true when a woman simply emasculates a man and uses him, without reciprocating anything. That is sorry, but a normal relationship is not sorry, and I know she’s not saying that it is. There was no understood bit that only the women’s subordination was sorry, and that it was ok for a man to be subordinate to her.
Eamon
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Fashina86
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Eamon… what are you trying to clarify? Confused. But… I do agree that it is in love that things (responsibilites) are shared…
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Fashina86
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It is in a mutual relationship that things are equal. The sharing of pleasure and the giving as well as the serving of the other is done best when it is reflected equally by both people. I am sorry, but when I said that it was sad that women are treated like sex toys, I meant that women shouldn’t only be used like that. Pleasure is good, but shouldn’t be exploited by one partner over the other.
Laura
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