The Society of St. Pius X

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Our Bishop is very liberal. Some of the parishoners there have told me he visits there and likes it. I dont know if writing him would be effective.
 
What if you attended both? Fulfill your Sunday obligation at the Roman rite NO, and then also attend the SSPX. Maybe you could do the Saturday vigil @ the NO Mass, and then go to SSPX on Sunday? As long as you fulfill your obligation, is it really so bad to go to the SSPX chapel as well? Just don’t receive Communion from the SSPX chapel, I doubt that would be a good thing to do.
 
But I dont want to recieve communion in the hand from a eucharistic minister while im standing up assembly line style. My hands are not consecrated. I don’t want to defile the blessed sacrament with the hand of a sinner such as myself.
 
KyrieEleison said:
But I dont want to recieve communion in the hand from a eucharistic minister while im standing up assembly line style. My hands are not consecrated. I don’t want to defile the blessed sacrament with the hand of a sinner such as myself.
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Why not - by your logic you defile it when it touches your sinful and unconsecrated tongue, your sinful and unconsecrated epiglottis, your sinful and unconsecrated oesophagus …

If you’re in a state of grace and fit to receive Our Lord then rest assured that your hands too are in a state of grace and fit to touch him.
 
People can also walk off with communion in the hand and defile the blessed sacrament. It can be dropped on the floor, stepped on, burned, and desacrated.
 
KyrieEleison said:
People can also walk off with communion in the hand and defile the blessed sacrament. It can be dropped on the floor, stepped on, burned, and desacrated.
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Yes, and if given on the tongue they can also keep it in their mouth to spit it out later, it can be dropped on to the floor, not burned but certainly desecrated in other ways.

For that matter the church can simply be wandered into or broken into and the ciborium, tabernacle or monstrance stolen or broken into.

Funnily enough, someone in a state of mortal sin, or not Catholic, could receive communion unworthily and EQUALLY defile it that way - which would happen a heck of a lot more often than any of the other very rare events either of us have mentioned.

Proper catechesis would do much more to stop desecration of the Sacrament than taking it on the tongue.
 
I would agree with the poster above who said that your parish should be your neighborhood parish and you should attend there.
However, I had the problem, for several years in my neighborhood parish, where the priest preached heresy and rebellion against the Pope and Magisterium.

My first duty (besides worshipping God) is to save my own soul.
Heresy is poison for the soul. So, if you have a priest who is defiantly contradicting the teachings of the Church, you should feel free to attend an orthodox Catholic parish even if it is not the parish closest to your home.

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
 
To those who have a problem with recieving on the hand…

Jesus didn’t place the Eucharist on the apostles tongues, he gave it to them in their hands.

If its okay with Him, then its ok with me 👍
 
Kerrie, I’m sorry that your local parish is so in need of a reconnect with Rome. It really does sound heartbreaking. Keep in mind though that Martin Luther disagreed with a great many wrongs in the church when he decided to split too, problems that really were doing damage to our church. Divorce doesn’t fix any problems though, it just runs away from them. As heartbreaking as it is for you, I agree with katybird when she said:
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Your obedience is pleasing to God. The stories of the saints are full of instances where they have to obey ecclesiastical authority even when it seems unreasonable.
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Offer up your Mass for the poor misguided souls who attend your parish. For goodness sake, pray for them all! Also pray for the people at your SSPX chapel, that they will do everything they can to come back into communion with Rome. I think it would be a good idea if you made some friendships there, as it’s likely there are people there who want to see the schism ended. If you and those folks can get together and petition your Bishop for a TLM, then maybe you’ll see it happen.

Don’t give up asking! Patience will win out.
 
Magicsilence said:
To those who have a problem with recieving on the hand…

Jesus didn’t place the Eucharist on the apostles tongues, he gave it to them in their hands.

If its okay with Him, then its ok with me 👍
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They (the apostles) were priests, all concelebrating priests self administer. So how they receieved it has no real bearing on how the laity are to recieve.
 
Jaypeeto4 said:
I would agree with the poster above who said that your parish should be your neighborhood parish and you should attend there.
However, I had the problem, for several years in my neighborhood parish, where the priest preached heresy and rebellion against the Pope and Magisterium.

My first duty (besides worshipping God) is to save my own soul.
Heresy is poison for the soul. So, if you have a priest who is defiantly contradicting the teachings of the Church, you should feel free to attend an orthodox Catholic parish even if it is not the parish closest to your home.

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
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Has the priest been suspended by the bishop?
If not, how do you know that he is defiantely contradicting the teachings of the Church?
You are there to learn, not to act as an official of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, unless you are actually an official for the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith. You’ll be in a sticky position at judgement if Jesus agrees with you that He hates female altar servers, but why did you ignore all the stuff about helping the poor and accepting neighbours that the left-wing trendy priest was preaching?

You can complain to the bishop or even to Rome, but I would do that sparingly.

There’s a big difference between thinking your general’s strategy is wrong, and hoping that your general’s strategy will fail. As far as possible, try to support what your parish priest is doing, and try to make it work. You do have the right for your views to be heard., you don’t have the right to sabotage.
 
Hang in there Kyrie,

There is too an Indult Mass in the State of Oregon. Its at St. Birgita’s in NW Portland. Its at 8:00am. I know that is a tough time and a long haul from Veneta but it can be done.

I asked our local priest about a problem similar to yours and he said, “go to the SSPX periodically but don’t buy into some of their stands on the Vat II. And don’t financially support it”

You do have several options. Rand Al’thor knows the parish I’m referring to; Holy Rosary in Portland. Also check the website of St. Joseph’s in Salem. If you have trouble with “far out stuff” then go to one of these but not to St. Edwards in Salem/Keiser.

Holy Rosary is my refuge from all the “extremes” until a local Tridentine is available.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the FSSP also celebrate the Tridentine Mass? As long as SSPX is in schism from the Church, it wouldn’t be wise to attend SSPX chapels. However, if one can find where FSSP priests celebrate mass, that can help those who wish to attend the TLM.
 
I believe the closest FSSP parish is in Post Falls, ID. and that is a VERY long haul from Veneta, OR.

There is a very active FSSP in Vancouver, B.C. and that is probably a 10 hour drive for Kyrie and family.

So far the Seattle ArchDiocese has only granted the one Indult in downtown Seattle. And the Portland ArchDiocese has the Portland Indult in the NW industrial district. Arch Bishop Vlazy has been kind enough to allow several Tridentine Masses for special events like the William Byrd Festival and for the Mass of Thanksgiving for the newly Ordained Father Joseph Lee of Holy Rosary this past summer.

It will all come out in the “wash”. So be patient and keep praying.
 
For the record, something seems to be in the air around here. I know a few younger priests that are learning to celebrate the TLM and they’re also learning to use Latin in the Novus ordo, too.

It’s almost like they see something. They haven’t said anything, but all of it kind of seems too coincidental.

I don’t know. But I’d love to see a REAL generous availability of the TLM. Here’s hoping…
 
gelsbern said:
They (the apostles) were priests, all concelebrating priests self administer. So how they receieved it has no real bearing on how the laity are to recieve.
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What evidence do you have that they were concelebrating? I rather got the impression that this new thing the Lord did was news to them as they sat there. And priests who do NOT concelebrate do NOT self-administer, at least according to Cardinal Arinze. So if we’re going to tear apart the Last Supper for clues, well…

Besides, Pius XII having condemned anitquarianism anyway, whether they recevied in the hand or on the tongue is beside the point, isn’t it? The Church has the authority to govern Her sacraments according to Her own wisdom, and she has given the laity the choice as to how they receive. If you watch the papal masses, this liberty exists even in the Holy See.
 
if i went to a NO mass and knelt to recieve communion on the toung, would that be aloud?
 
Trident59 said:
Hang in there Kyrie,

There is too an Indult Mass in the State of Oregon. Its at St. Birgita’s in NW Portland. Its at 8:00am. I know that is a tough time and a long haul from Veneta but it can be done.

I asked our local priest about a problem similar to yours and he said, “go to the SSPX periodically but don’t buy into some of their stands on the Vat II. And don’t financially support it”

You do have several options. Rand Al’thor knows the parish I’m referring to; Holy Rosary in Portland. Also check the website of St. Joseph’s in Salem. If you have trouble with “far out stuff” then go to one of these but not to St. Edwards in Salem/Keiser.

Holy Rosary is my refuge from all the “extremes” until a local Tridentine is available.
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Funny, I was associated with both Holy Rosary and St. Brigita’s when I was in seminary at Mt. Angel. They are both wonderfully places. I cannot say enough about Holy Rosary in Portland. For one such as myself who loves the Tridentine Mass I actually preferred to go to Holy Rosary. I don’t know what it was about that place but it just was so Catholic and balanced and highly Orthodox that it was like a magnet.

Funny thing is too that I taught RCIA at St. Edward’s in Kaiser. While I loved my class and the people that I met while I was there I cannot speak highly of its orthodoxy. However, the priest that was there when I taught is now passed away (God rest his soul) I do not know if it has gotten better in these few years. However, in the entire Archdiocese of Portland I will always put my lot in with Holy Rosary. It is worth any amount of drive time to go there.
 
KyrieEleison said:
if i went to a NO mass and knelt to recieve communion on the toung, would that be aloud?
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Yes. The norm in the United States is standing, however those who wish to kneel are not to be refused nor accused of disobedience.
 
KyrieEleison said:
if i went to a NO mass and knelt to recieve communion on the toung, would that be aloud?
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I’ve been to a couple of churches in the UK which have the NO mass where kneeling is the norm and most people receive on the tongue. One was the London Oratory, the other was in Soho (I can’t currently remember the name).
 
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