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paramedicgirl
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Which just goes to show that we can’t say that all SSPX homilies are NO bashing homilies, any more than we can say that all NO homilies are bad or even heretical. Some of each are very good.
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Marilena
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paramedicgirl is quite correct, there has never been any NO bashing at our church, and i have been there for almost a year now, they do not bash the NO at all. iam sorry your expereince was different friend.
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paramedicgirl
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You have very humble and holy priests there, marilena. I was very impressed with their humility.paramedicgirl is quite correct, there has never been any NO bashing at our church, and i have been there for almost a year now, they do not bash the NO at all. iam sorry your expereince was different friend.
It’s too bad that some of the SSPX priests bash the NO Mass in their homilies. Priests of both rites would be better to spend their homilies educating us on faith and morals.
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Marilena
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they do indeed at our church. one particular priest whom you met is very holy, and very humble. he is a wonderful priest and when he says a homily, everyone is so intent on what he is saying. this is also true of the other 2 priests there, especially the one who is from the USA. when he gives a homily, the parishioners are riveted to their seats.
he has given many a fiery speech, and it is truly heart warming to see the zeal he has for the faith. all 3 of them have an intense zeal for the faith. it really shows.
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pnewton
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That would be an excellent question for the AAA forum. I sure don’t know. The only parallel I can think of is that an individual can come to realize and accept that the Catholic Church is the one Christ founded and still remain outside of communinon in their protestant faith. I do remember Peter Kreeft once saying that the great irony of Lefevbre is that after stepping in heresy on the topic of outside the church there is no salvation that he found himself in that situation.
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Marilena
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are you referring to Protestants? or are you referring to the SSPX as Protestants?
The Society is most certainly not Protestant! Do i have my wires crossed?
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Unfinished
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pnewton
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No definitely not. The only thing they have in common is that they are outside communion with Rome, not protestant, heretical or anything of the sort. The only time an analogy with protestants can be used is in a comparison on this point only, which is what I meant. I do nto wish to fall in the error of treating SSPX the same as Protestants or Orthodox.
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Lisa_Lavadores
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Well, it’s only been about 3 hours since this was posted – that may explain why I am the first to respond as I am about to do. I wish it were someone else. Even though, compared to the average Catholic, I’m a genuis on this subject, I’m a moron compared to the posters here. But jump in I will:If you go the SPPX out of love for the Tridentine rite, and not to partake in the schism, then you are not guilty of anything.
Except of course, loving the Tridentine Mass
Would this not be commiting the sin of scandal? What if I were to say that there’s a Calvary Chapel near me that preaches godly sermons – never a word that conflicts with Catholic doctrine. Therefore, every Sunday I receive Communion at my parish, but to combat the namby pamby homilies, I then attend a Calvary Chapel worship service. How would the two situations be different?
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CatholicNick
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Because, they are protestants, heretics. The two situations are completely different.
The SSPX are not heretics, just disobedient.
unavoce.org/articles/2003/perl-011803.htm
I suggest you read this from “Ecclesia Dei”
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Unfinished
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Because the SSPX are Catholics.
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TNT
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Sin of SCANDAL?
The pope PRAYS with animistshttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/108.gif, E-O, Shintus, Buddhists, Jews.
No scandal there right?
Then the answer to your question is:
No difference…NO SCANDAL, just supporting the New Dogma of Ecumenism, which JPII said was the centerpiece of his Pontificate.
It is simply going to Calvary Chapel to express, in a tangible way, honor to the truth that they contain in their homilies.
Simple.
Same Ecumenical expression at the SSPX “chapel”.http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/143.gif
Now, where was I?
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Oh, yea:http://www.websmileys.com/sm/drink/trink33.gif
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Lisa_Lavadores
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I read the article. I do not know who Rev. Msgr. Camille Perl Secretary is – could you fill me in?Because, they are protestants, heretics. The two situations are completely different.
The SSPX are not heretics, just disobedient.
unavoce.org/articles/2003/perl-011803.htm
I suggest you read this from “Ecclesia Dei”
I do not believe the heretic/schismatic difference is a valid excuse. If I tell what some people call a “white” lie, the fact that someone else tells a whopper does not make my lie right.
The very fact that there is an indult Mass seems to me to show that there are rules about how one is allowed to participate in a Latin Mass. If one’s bishop has not offered the indult Mass, I feel for that person – truly, I do. I myself am seriously considering attending a TLM – I’m a convert who only knows the NOM. But I don’t see how a bishop’s stubbornness justifies attending a Mass in which the priests are in schism. People seeing a Catholic enter an SSPX church do not know the state of his mind – his actions would suggest he is in union with SSPX. Isn’t that scandal?
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Lisa_Lavadores
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Catholics whose priests are in schism.
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Lisa_Lavadores
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A) Quite a few people think there is.
B) Those are special events, not his regular Sunday practice.
C) What he does is not relevent in guiding our actions – what he teaches is.
At least you are consistent – it appears you would have no problem with your children attending Mass then heading straight to Calvary Chapel every Sunday. I have to say, that would bother me.
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Walking_Home
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Seems to me–it is more scandulous to be judging the motives of someone who walks into an SSPX chapel.
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Lisa_Lavadores
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Judging?! There’s not even a thought process! Unless there’s a wedding or other such event, if a person walks into a church, he is assumed to be a member. Am I judging my fellow parishioners when I assume they’re Catholic? Am I judging the people who walk into Calvary Chapel when I assume they’re Born Again? It’s a naturally noted observation, not a judgment.
Please know that my jumping into this thread has nothing to do with saying, “Nah-nah-nah – you’re bad because you do X.” It is clear to me that the posters in this thread love the Lord and wish to follow Him. My posts are to help anyone who may be misguided reconsider his position – just as I hope that other posts are there to help me reconsider anything I hold in error.
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Walking_Home
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Quote=Lisa Lavadores
People seeing a Catholic enter an SSPX church do not know the state of his mind – his actions would suggest he is in union with SSPX. Isn’t that scandal?
When your observation leads you to say that there is scandal–yes there is judging.You acknowledge that the SSPX is Catholic. The state of mind of a person who attends the Mass at an SSPX chapel–is known only to God and the person. Yet --you say it is a scandal --just because they attend an SSPX Mass. You are attributing something which is not known to you–to a person–to then say it is a scandal.
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Unfinished
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That is a far cry different than a [blank] Protestant church. The SSPX sacraments are still valid.
Attending Mass at the SSPX, just so long as the person it there to attend the Tridentine Mass and not to follow their schismatic attitude, is allowed.
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Missa_Solemnis
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By this logic then…Our Dear Pope Bennedict is a muslim?
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