I am confused by your answer. Are you implying that Cornelius’ works were not from God?
Why would it be? You make judgements of me every chance you get. So is this the pot calling the kettle black?
I think you are fully aware of the differences. Tweety is publicly proclaiming doctrines which are in conflict with the Church.
Thank you
This not only applies to my family!
Thank you!
Because none of us can judge the heart of another. We can judge actions in the light of God’s unchangeable moral truth (for example, the Commandment says that it is wrong to lie, so when a person deliberately misrepresents oneself, we see that as a moral wrong), but we cannot know the intentions and knowledge of another.
No, because we are all held to the same standard you are. It does not come from within the individual, but from the Revelation of God. We all fall short in many ways, and to the extent we fall short of Catholicity, yet claim to be Catholic, we are all culpable.
I thank you one more time.Because none of us can judge the heart of another. We can judge actions in the light of God’s unchangeable moral truth (for example, the Commandment says that it is wrong to lie, so when a person deliberately misrepresents oneself, we see that as a moral wrong), but we cannot know the intentions and knowledge of another.
For example, a person may claim to be Catholic, sincerely not knowing, or not believing that it is not a vialble option to be a “cafeteria” Catholic. Such a person may be preserved from some culpability for their wrongdoing through their ignorance.
Of course, if such a one became informed that their actions were wrong, then they would have the repsonsiblity to act upon that information.
No, because we are all held to the same standard you are. It does not come from within the individual, but from the Revelation of God. We all fall short in many ways, and to the extent we fall short of Catholicity, yet claim to be Catholic, we are all culpable.
No one here has judged you, Tweety. We have objected to the content of your posts, and your public claim to be Catholic while rejecting the Catholic faith. I am the first to admit that what one speaks is that which fills the heart, and that your public rebellion against God’s appointed authority expressed in these forums accurately represents your rebellious heart, I am still not in a position to judge that, only God is. I also see that you survived the trauma in your life by clinging to rebellion against authority, so it is difficult now, even though you are not being abused anymore, to find a different way of being in the world. It is hard to let go of old ways of doing things, even when they are not needed anymore.
Yes, I am sure this is true. I would venture to guess that you have been able to be loving and fruitful in every area of your life, except with your Catholic siblings here on CAF. It may well be the case that God has called you to a higher level of love than you have previously been challenged.
And I can say without a shadow of doubt that I have felt no fruit of love here by many of your hear. Afew like about 19 who have sent apoligies to me for the way some act. I came hear not for continually hashing and bashing. Maybe God sent me here to enlighten some of you, you never know.Yes, I am sure this is true. I would venture to guess that you have been able to be loving and fruitful in every area of your life, except with your Catholic siblings here on CAF. It may well be the case that God has called you to a higher level of love than you have previously been challenged.
So far, you have been unable to bear the fruit that is present elsewhere in your life to your Catholic siblings here on CAF. You disparage our faith, and misrepresent yourself to us, practicing duplicity. I doubt that you do these things in your “real” life. For some reason you have rationalized doing it in your virtual life. However, this is between you and God. I am well aware that CAF can bring to light aspects of people’s walk with God that they were not aware of previously.
I believe everyone who comes to CAF comes because God draws them for one reason, or another. Perhaps you have been drawn here for the very correction that you have flatly confused. YOu remind me of that man that was on the roof of the house during the flood.
Is not the moment he believed a works? Is believing a personal decision and not forced by God? (a act of making a choice). If choosing to believe is a personal decision to have faith in God and accept His Grace (Freely Given) then you have a hole you need to explain in your belief of predeterminism.Sound like Protestant theology; are you a Catholic in disguise only?
Do you believe you must be baptized to receive saving grace? If so, then you are bound by the works righteousness salvation. Why? Because the moment you say “I must do something in order for God to act toward my own salvation”; then it is no longer God’s salvation.
If a religion has a bunch of you must do this and must do that’s; it is a form of a legalistic righteousness IMO and many others.
Paul knows the gospel of his salvation and **he knew the moment he believed **that he was justified before the Lord, saved!
You are protestant…
Is justified saved? or not?
I am getting into this late but I do hope some have tried to answer (or straighten out) your beliefs with love that Christ wishes us all to share. Many Catholic do not know their own faith and what the church actually teaches and it is our duty as Catholic to search for these teachings so we can understand the true meaning of scriptures. It is sometimes hard to read into the written word compassion esp. when someone is defending the faith.
THe OP is of the idea that man does not have free will and believing is not a choice that man makes.
Right I figured that, but they keep saying you have **to believe **which is a statement of choice which means freewill (thus the hole). Right?
God makes them believe, irresistible grace, thus it is not an act of will on mans part. This is the explanation that gets around the works aspect of belief.
Thank you and I do know my beliefs very well, I have gotten a lot of answers and a whole lot of trying to straighting out as you call it. I know my faith and what the Church teached just don’t agree with a couple. God Bless you
Guys, tweetymom is set in her beliefs. I don’t think any explanation or exhortation to change we give her is going to do any good. Let me be clear: I don’t condone cafeteria Catholicism and I believe it’s a scandal. Tweetymom believes only God can judge and instruct her, and certainly not the members of the Church she professes to be in. What we say is going to be heard on deaf ears.
Oh and thank you for calling me a Cafeteria Catholic!
OOPs maybe you need to pray for yourself also!