"The sufficiency of Grace" a continuation of "The sufficiency of Christ" family debate.

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Rocket_Man said:
It’s by God’s grace that I wrote.
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That’s not an answer to my question.

Of course it is only by God’s grace that we can be saved, but this grace requires our cooperation in order to be effective for our salvation.

We must choose to accept his free gift of grace and to endure.

He wants us to follow his will, but he doesn’t force us to.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
It’s free!
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Actually not quite… one needs to be dead to sin and dead to self… it takes the whole life and one becomes a slave, owned by the Lord… with Him as sole focus… Once we are His there is no turning back…
By the way it also took the life of Jesus Christ.

In Him,
Janet
 
Janet1983 said:
Actually not quite… one needs to be dead to sin and dead to self… it takes the whole life and one becomes a slave, owned by the Lord…
By the way it also took the life of Jesus Christ.
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You are talking about salvation.

I was talking about grace.

Grace it is God’s free and undeserved gift to us.
 
Rocket_Man said:
Was it for Abraham, or Moses, or Jacob, or Issac, or Noah, or the Ethiopian, or Zacharius, or the Centurion, or Mary Magdalene or Peter or Paul?
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Grace is God’s free and undeserved gift to mankind.

You are still evading my question.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
Perhaps I am mistaken, but when I read the above paragraph it seems to state that your one time salvation experience guarantees that you will go to heaven.
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And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.
 
Rocket_Man said:
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.
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Why can’t you answer a simple question?
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
Of course it is only by God’s grace that we can be saved, but this grace requires our cooperation in order to be effective for our salvation.
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Mormon’s also believe that it’s by God’s grace after all that they can do. What does it mean to endure to the end?
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
Why can’t you answer a simple question?
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Because your waiting for the simple answer so you can launch another one of your spears.

I have shared with you a very sincere story about myself and the nature of God’s salvation. I was saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved, and none of it is by my own doings, it is the work of Christ in me.
 
Rocket_Man said:
Because your waiting for the simple answer so you can launch another one of your spears.

I have shared with you a very sincere story about myself and the nature of God’s salvation. I was saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved, and none of it is by my own doings, it is the work of Christ in me.
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Rocket you are a very dear person to God and I will continue to keep you in my prayers.
 
Rocket_Man said:
My free will was to serve the sin I loved because I was a child of the devil. I take full responsibilty for my sin then and now.
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I see that, Rocket, but do not say the Catholic Church “supposedly” brings spiritual nourishment through the Sacraments. It does - only to those who desire it.
 
tweetymom said:
Rocket you are a very dear person to God and I will continue to keep you in my prayers.
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I agree with you, Tweety. Rocket, you are indeed a dear soul, and your knowledge of Scripture is certainly something I will try to emulate. 👍
 
Rocket_Man said:
Mormon’s also believe that it’s by God’s grace after all that they can do. What does it mean to endure to the end?
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If you don’t know what it means to endure until the end, then you had better find out.

Jesus and Paul are both explicit that endurance is required for salvation.

We can’t do it without God’s grace, but without our cooperation he won’t save us.
 
Rocket_Man said:
Because your waiting for the simple answer so you can launch another one of your spears.

I have shared with you a very sincere story about myself and the nature of God’s salvation. I was saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved, and none of it is by my own doings, it is the work of Christ in me.
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IMO, your story is an implicit slam against Catholicism based on a faulty understanding of scripture and the Catholic faith.

I’m trying to illustrate your errors. Your inability to answer a simple question is indicative of your awareness of these errors.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
IMO, your story is an implicit slam against Catholicism based on a faulty understanding of scripture and the Catholic faith.

I’m trying to illustrate your errors. Your inability to answer a simple question is indicative of your awareness of these errors.
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I answered your question the same way you tried to illustrate my error, by scripture! But I guess you like to try to keep things simple, so I also answered them simple.
 
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