The Telegraph: Why is there no looting in Japan?

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Right, but those happened 80 years ago. Katrina was only a few years ago and the mentality which led to the looting in katrina (and elsewhere) still exists, waiting to be incited. While some might say Japanese society could be hoodwinked into supporting some kind of militarism, I do think they have changed their ways. I don’t think this is an either/or situation of having to choose tolerating looting and lawlessnes or having a docile population that is easily manipulated into supporting militarism, for example. For the record, if I had to choose between the looting and lawlessnes and the Rape of Nanking, etc. I would choose the former, so long as I had the right to own a gun or two to protect my family.

Ishii
Looting isn’t condoned in our society either, and to arm yourself for fear of it to me is nonsense. If I were to encounter it amongst fearful and desperate assailants , I wouldn.t resort to killing them with guns or anything else but tell them if they were inclined to it take the lot. That’s me.Peace, Carlan
 
Looting isn’t condoned in our society either, and to arm yourself for fear of it to me is nonsense. If I were to encounter it amongst fearful and desperate assailants , I wouldn.t resort to killing them with guns or anything else but tell them if they were inclined to it take the lot. That’s me.Peace, Carlan
Looting is certainly condoned by some in our society. And if you were to encounter looters of the kind that appeared in the aftermath of Katrina - in which some of them engaged in rape and murder along with the looting - good luck fending them off and protecting your loved ones from harm without guns to back you up.

Ishii
 
Don’t worry Rich, I don’t think you are racist because you are willing to walk in Greenpoint at 11PM but not willing to walk in East New York at the same hour.😉
Of course, it has nothing to do with race. I can walk through black parts of Fort Greene and Bedford-Stuyvesant at midnight with no problem. Keeping out of East New York at night is good advice for blacks and whites alike. 😉
 
Looting is certainly condoned by some in our society. And if you were to encounter looters of the kind that appeared in the aftermath of Katrina - in which some of them engaged in rape and murder along with the looting - good luck fending them off and protecting your loved ones from harm without guns to back you up.

Ishii
Looting is condoned at the highest levels of our society. Within the last few years we had guys giving themselves $100 million bonuses for destroying entire sectors of our economy which then had to be bailed out with taxpayer money. But they weren’t black guys stealing TVs out of a sense of entitlement promoted by “poverty pimps” so what they did can’t be bad or scary…
 
Looting is certainly condoned by some in our society. And if you were to encounter looters of the kind that appeared in the aftermath of Katrina - in which some of them engaged in rape and murder along with the looting - good luck fending them off and protecting your loved ones from harm without guns to back you up.

Ishii
I must have missed that police reporting, for I am not aware of anyone being in custody for such, or of witnesses to such horrific crime. Could you give me your source please?
Peace, Carlan
 
I must have missed that police reporting, for I am not aware of anyone being in custody for such, or of witnesses to such horrific crime. Could you give me your source please?
Peace, Carlan
I think you’re right. There were some sensationalistic reports coming out of NO immediately, but I think many of the worst and most horrific were shown to be greatly exaggerated or false.

ChadS
 
Could call on my moniker - its a bit of a misnomer as I originally thought ishii meant “rock” but its more “pebble”. Imagine Jesus saying “you are pebble and on this pebble I will build my church.” I think the correct Japanese translation is “ganseki” (that is the word used in that passage in my Japanese language bible). I would change it to ganseki but I think I’m stuck with Ishii for this forum:D You can probably deduce what my name actually is.
Pebbles??

Wow! I wondered what happened to you. I used to watch your father on television. Man, he was a hoot! 🙂

😉
Look, societies differ. And Japan surely has problems with its minority populations and their protests.
Yes, many observers have pointed to the communitarian nature of Japanese culture. In most cultures, certainly in the West, there is a greater tendency to act out of individual interest. From what I have read, such individualism is curbed in Japan. Ishii might have some insight into that.

Now I am going to go out on a limb… I wonder if the relative homogeneity of Japan doesn’t help to promote this curb on individualism and the willingness to avoid behavior such as looting? If everyone is similar and held to similar expectations and can be trusted to hold to those expectations, it may make it easier to accept curbs on selfishness.
 
ISHI: I beleive this was found to be false.
God was that false reporting. Why wasn’t the media there reporting this stuff. We knew after the fact that the stadium was a dreadful solution and it did seem that whole area was left to work itself out. Hasn’t anyone been held responsible???
Peace, Carlan
 
God was that false reporting. Why wasn’t the media there reporting this stuff. We knew after the fact that the stadium was a dreadful solution and it did seem that whole area was left to work itself out. Hasn’t anyone been held responsible???
Peace, Carlan
The Governor of La was booted out. The Mayor, OTH, was re-elected. Go figure.
 
Looting is certainly condoned by some in our society.
OK, who condones looting? You’re leaving out the most important factor. Try to give the forum a ‘for instance’ for your allegations.

Murder and thievery are condoned by some criminals in our society, I bet. But I’m not extrapolating from there.
 
OK, I thank the poster about the info on the Danziger Bridge shooting where police shot into unarmed civilians, killing 2 and wounding 4 others. I did some search, and according to the information coming out, after they killed the 40-y.o. mentally disabled man who had no weapon and posed no threat whatsoever, they went on to plant a weapon on the scene, and accused the deceased man’s older brother of possessing a gun and shooting into police! :eek: Had they succeeded in framing this totally innocent man, whose younger disabled brother they just killed, he could have been potentially sentenced to life in prison.

This Danziger Bridge shooting in New Orleans, after Hurricane Katrina, has got to be one of the most outrageous cases of police brutality and cover-up in recent history. I wonder, was this a totally isolated incident, or have there been more like this? It seems like a whole police department was caught up in fabricating lies, false evidence, and cover-up.

tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/new_orleans_cop_explains_how_police_gunned_down_ci.php
New Orleans Cop Explains How Police Gunned Down Unarmed Civilians In Post-Katrina Incident
The Shootings and the Start of the Conspiracy
In 2005, defendant HUNTER was an officer assigned to NOPD’s Seventh District. On September 4, 2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the defendant and his fellow Seventh District officers were working out of a temporary station at the Crystal Palace on Chef Menteur Highway. In response to a radio call that officers on the I-10 high-rise bridge had taken fire, defendant HUNTER and other NOPD officers loaded into a large Budget rental truck, which HUNTER then drove from the Crystal Palace to the Danziger Bridge.
En route to the Danziger Bridge, Sergeant A asked to borrow an assault rifle defendant HUNTER had placed in the cab of the Budget truck. HUNTER hesitated initially, but then relented and agreed to let Sergeant A use the assault rifle.
When defendant HUNTER first observed the Danziger Bridge on September 4, 2005, he saw in the distance a handful of people casually walking on the roadway on the bridge. **HUNTER realized that the people on the bridge would not know that the Budget truck held police officers who were responding to a call for assistance, so he used his left hand to fire warning shots, with his NOPD-issued handgun, out the window of the truck.
As defendant HUNTER fired these warning shots, the people on the bridge scattered and ran toward a concrete barrier separating the roadway from a pedestrian walkway. The civilians, who did not appear to have any weapons, began to climb or jump over the barrier.**
Defendant HUNTER stopped the Budget truck a short distance from where he had seen people climb over the concrete barrier. As the truck rolled to a stop, Sergeant A fired an assault rifle down toward the civilians on the walkway. At one point before HUNTER got out of the truck, he saw an older black male raise his head above the barrier, and he saw Sergeant A fire at the black male. The black male did not appear to have a weapon and did not threaten the officers.
In addition to the people who jumped over the concrete barrier, defendant HUNTER saw civilians running westward, toward the top of the bridge. HUNTER got out on the driver’s side, ran to the front of the truck, and fired his handgun in the direction of the people running away up the bridge. Sergeant B, who had also run to the front of the truck, stood nearby, firing an M4-type assault rifle at the same civilians. HUNTER did not see any weapons on these civilians, and did not see them stop or turn around. They did not appear to be a threat to the officers as they ran up the bridge. HUNTER fired his handgun numerous times in the direction of these fleeing civilians, but did not believe that he struck them.
Defendant HUNTER then walked to the passenger side of the truck, where Sergeant A and other officers were lined up in a position to fire at or behind the concrete barrier. HUNTER saw Sergeant A and one or more other officers firing at or behind the barrier. Seeing that there was no threat to the officers, defendant HUNTER shouted, “Cease fire!”
When the officers stopped firing, defendant HUNTER walked toward the back of the truck on the passenger side. While defendant HUNTER was still on the passenger side of the truck, near the walkway, he saw several civilians, who appeared to be unarmed, injured, and subdued. Sergeant A suddenly leaned over the concrete barrier, held out his assault rifle, and, in a sweeping motion, fired repeatedly at the civilians lying wounded on the ground.
The civilians were not trying to escape and were not doing anything that could be perceived as a threat.
From the parts I bolded in the above quote, it seems like the way this shooting started is one of those cases that they should teach, “how not to do things”. Imagine this from a civilian’s perspective. A Budget rental truck is coming your way, and somebody is shooting from it. You try to take cover, when the people from the truck jump out, and they turn out to be police officers, and they just keep shooting at you like Rambos.

The rest of the story gets even more horrific - please go to the website above to read it. They shoot another unarmed man in the back, from point blank range, and then one of the police officers jumps and starts kicking him and stomping on him, while the man is dying.
 
Wide-spread rape in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina - it was not false reporting. I wonder how would Celine Dion react to that. With the flat-screen TVs, it was like “they are poor people who never touched that, let them touch it once in their life”. How about your mother, your sister, or yourself, Mrs. Dion? Should those “poor people” be allowed to touch your mother, your sister, and to touch you, too? :rolleyes:
 
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More Stories Emerge of Rapes in Post-Katrina Chaos
A Victim’s Story
One of the victims is Ms. Lewis, a 46-year-old home health-care worker from New Orleans East, who asked that her first name not be used. She sits on the edge of a bed in a dingy, dimly lit room in a motel in Baton Rouge.
Lewis says she was raped on Monday, Aug. 29, the day of the storm. The account of her rape was verified by a trained forensic nurse at Earl K. Long Hospital in Baton Rouge, where Lewis sought treatment.
Lewis and others had taken refuge in the Redemption Elderly Apartments, in the Irish Channel section of New Orleans. On that first night after the storm, the city had lost power, and she was sleeping in a dark hallway, trying to catch a breeze. It was there, she says, that an unknown man with a handgun sexually assaulted her. She insists other women were raped in the same apartment building over the next four nights, but her claim could not be checked out.
“Some bad things happened, you know. There was nobody there to protect you,” Lewis says.
Recalling her attack, she sobs, “They just left us to die. Nobody cared.”
After her rape, Lewis says, there were no clinics open, so she washed herself with bleach. “All I could do was pray, pray for rescue, pray that I didn’t have any type of transmitted disease,” she says.
Days of Lawlessness
Anastasia is a petite, 25-year-old hairdresser who asked that her last name be omitted. She contacted the New Orleans police in October and filed a report that she was beaten with a bat and raped on Sept. 6th in broad daylight next to a flooded McDonald’s at Gentilly Boulevard and Elysian Fields, near her father’s house.
Anastasia says thugs were still wandering the streets of her neighborhood more than a week after the flood. “I didn’t see any police officers — I could have gotten away with murder,” she says. “It was that terrible. So I can assume what the criminals were thinking, and that’s exactly what happened.”
Urging Victims to Come Forward
In an effort to get victims to come forward, the Louisiana Foundation Against Sexual Assault asked Charmaine Neville, a popular New Orleans jazz singer, to tape a public service announcement for national airplay. The spot urges victims to report their assault by calling 1-800-656-HOPE.
Neville says she was sexually assaulted early the morning of Aug. 31st, while she was sleeping on the roof of Drew Elementary School in the Bywater Neighborhood, where she and others had taken refuge.
 
wdsu.com/r/5627087/detail.html
40 Rapes Reported In Hurricane Katrina, Rita Aftermath
Alec Gifford
NEW ORLEANS – Despite widespread efforts to downplay reports of an outbreak of heinous crimes in the chaos after the storm, there’s new information about what really happened.
WDSU Newschannel 6 Reporter Alec Gifford has uncovered 40 reported cases of rape.
One high-profile victim has gone public to urge others to come forward
“Hi. My name is Charmaine Neville. I was in New Orleans at a school after Hurricane Katrina and I was raped. I know many more women were raped and are afraid to talk about it,” Neville said in a public service announcement.
Neville, a New Orleans singer, …
 
OK, who condones looting? You’re leaving out the most important factor. Try to give the forum a ‘for instance’ for your allegations.

Murder and thievery are condoned by some criminals in our society, I bet. But I’m not extrapolating from there.
Celine Dion condones looting. And I am willing to bet that there are many other bleating heart liberals like her. If you had read post # 65 you would already know this.

Ishii
 
God was that false reporting. Why wasn’t the media there reporting this stuff. We knew after the fact that the stadium was a dreadful solution and it did seem that whole area was left to work itself out. Hasn’t anyone been held responsible???
Peace, Carlan
Perhaps the superdome events were exaggerated, perhaps not, but since I don’t have any proof or citation I will grant you that. However, there were roving looters that were armed. I wouldn’t trust someone who would prowl about in that situation looking for stuff to loot. I wouldn’t throw caution to the winds and leave my family vulnerable to looters who might be willing to commit other crimes worse than looting. I would shoot first, and ask questions later.

Ishii
 
Please explain, Anglo. I don’t see how multiculturalism is somehow destructive to morality. Irish Catholics, German Lutherans, English puritans, Quakers, and all sorts of diversity existed early on in America. Then came the Jewish populations and forementioned Irish that America started off not liking very much. We’ve had Armenian, Greek, Russian, and all sorts of immigrants that have made us a rich, vibrant nation. My wife is filipina and that community brings so much to the table. I don’t see how this is a weakness? I don’t understand your “falling victim” statement. The Catholic Church is the ultimate expression of multi-culturalism and embracing diverse cultures. Maybe I’m just not understanding your point?

As for not respecting teachers, I notice that it is folks on the extreme Far Right that almost innately don’t trust teachers, fancying that we’re out to brainwash kids into liberal socialism. My most “difficult” and cynical, untrusting parents are the evangelical folks who attend Tea Party rallies and think we’re all out to get their kids and program them (they couldn’t be more incorrect!)…It isn’t the multiculturalism that is hurting us but refusal to accept it I think.

Perhaps I just don’t understand where you’re coming from. I’d love to understand. God bless, Anglo!
I fully understand where you’re coming from, so allow me to explain. I live in Canada, not the USA (although my ancestors were Americans - my first British-American ancestor married the granddaughter of the first Mennonite minister in PA; William Rittenhouse). In the USA the approach to diversity has been the creation of the social “melting pot” where cultures from around the world contribute to the “american” lifestyle. I think this way is better than what has become the Canadian approach. The Canadian approach is what we call the “cultural mosaic”. French children attend French language schools, English children attend English schools. That was about as “diverse” as things got until the 1980’s. Life was peaceful up until then. Streets were safe, even in the major cities. Schools had NO violence. Mothers stayed home to cook hot lunches for their kids. We walked to the store with REAL SILVER dimes and quarters in our pockets. Except on Sunday - all stores were CLOSED on Sunday by law under “The Lord’s Day Act”. The Holy Bible was read aloud in classrooms (and the Lord’s Prayer recited) all over the country each and every morning in both Protestant and Catholic schools.

But then, with the FLOOD of immigration from all corners of the globe, the government now bends over backwards, and spends huge sums of tax payer’s money, to accommodate just about every language and cultural tradition you can think of! Counselling and court services are provided to anyone of ANY language and culture! Now, you may think this a real Utopia, but it’s NOT. Two reasons: 1) the costs of these programs are immense. 2) Public Education has “too many cooks in the kitchen”, and so whereas once Christ was preached each morning, now it is forbidden to mention His name AT ALL. We are now at the point where HUGE SECTORS of the adult population know ALMOST NOTHING about the Gospel!

The worship of Christ has been replaced with the worship of the ONLY thing the people in the “mosaic” all value in common: MONEY. We now live in a secular materialistic nightmare of a society where people ask you “what do you do for a living?” not because they wish to know how you contribute to the well being of society, but simply so they can appraise how much MONEY you have! We have young people lost in the world of drugs, meaningless sex, abortion and gambling. In fact, whereas in the early 1970’s it was ILLEGAL to even own a lottery ticket…NOW the Ontario government actually owns and runs CASINOS! There’s talk of legalizing prostitution in some cities in the near future. And, on top of all this, the Muslims are crying out for Sharia Law Courts, to be set up at taxpayer’s expense! It’s all madness!

I guess (to put it in short) I’m a person who thinks that western governments should stroll hand-in-hand with the Church (and this WAS the case here in Canada until a few decades ago), but that the new cultural “mosaic” has DEMANDED that the secular government abandon this relationship…and so Canada is now no longer a friend of Jesus Christ.

And that’s where I’m coming from. 😦
 
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