The Third Secret

[Shoshana]

Did I not read people saying the “smoke of Satan was in the Vatican”?

Report says clergy sexual abuse brought ‘smoke of Satan’ into church

By Jerry Filteau
Catholic News Service

WASHINGTON (CNS) – In its report Feb. 27 on the causes of the U.S. clergy sexual abuse crisis, the National Review Board said “grievously sinful” acts of priests and inaction by bishops let “the smoke of Satan” enter the church.
catholicnews.com/data/abuse/abuse08.htm

Pope Paul VI’s “Smoke of Satan” Referred to Liturgical Abuse

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From WDTPRS:
On the site Petrus there is an interview by Bruno Volpe with His Eminence Virgilio Card. Noè, [pronounced “No-eh”] “former papal MC, the predecessor of Archbp. Piero Marini.
These are very interesting comments. He speaks of the phrase of Paul VI that the “smoke of Satan” had entered the Church and what Paul VI meant by that phrase.
My translation and emphases.**
Exclusive: the revelation of Card. Noè:” When Paul VI denounced the smoke of Satan in the Church, he was referring to liturgical abuses following Vatican II.”
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marysanawim.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/pope-paul-vis-smoke-of-satan-referred-to-liturgical-abuse/

Why Paul VI saw liturgical abuses as the 'smoke of Satan’

Cardinal Virgilio Noe
ad2000.com.au/articles/2008/jul2008p12_2843.html

The Vatican “hiding something”?

People in the Vatican have “given themselves over to the Evil One”?

We do that every time we sin!

I thought I read that somewhere… correct me if I am wrong.

I do not see you challenging these statements when they are posted. This whole thread stinks and you aren’t helping matters one bit. Instead you attack me, why?

You are not adding anything constructive to the discussion…and that does surprise me of you. I thought, after all this time, you would have the spiritual maturity and discernement to be able to discuss this matter objectively.

Is that because I point out how thoroughly despicable this subject is, and how bad it makes your church look… and that embarrasses you?

It does not make the Church look bad at ll…just the people in it. No different than any other scandal that exists at this present time.

This subject is not despicable. It needs to be discussed, even if it s not winnable…

Why should non-Catholics of any sort want to get mixed up with the kind of sludge being slung about here? And to think all of this mess is inspired by an apparition!

This is beneath you and does not open our eyes to anything. It just might be revealed the other way around…

There will always be a mess after an apparition…that is how the devil works after Our Lady appears. In any of the authenticated apparitions approved by the church. As this one is…

If I was to post something like “Marian apparitions are the smoke of Satan” you would have my head. But it’s apparently Ok for Catholics to suggest that about the Vatican.

It was a Pope himself who declared this…

What ever… perhaps the smoke of Satan has infiltrated the threads in Catholic Answers Forums! … something appears to be tearing at the inner fibre of your church.

A little drama here…I am sure the mods would discern such smoke…

Why would we Orthodox want to get mixed up in your Vatican, if that is how it is?

Because they need to return to the one, true Catholic Faith, that is why.

Don’t tell me in one breath that we need your Pope and in another that he and his Vatican apparatus is hiding something!

Our Pope is holy…and so is the Church…I question the agenda of some of the prelates…we must pray…

What a disappointment …

It is true. This whole thing is disappointing. Let us pray with sincere hears and minds to follow through with what Our Lady has asked of us…OK?

 

[Louie1983]

Thankyou! I was looking for that article so i can enlighten our friend hesychios!

 

[Hesychios]

**It isn’t how it is, like i said there is confusion about whether the 3rd secret has been revealed completely among the faithfull and the church. That’s there is to it, no-one is questioning the faith, no-one is questioning the church! it’s not a “disaster” or anything of the sort it’s just that people are confused! **

Why should they be confused?

What has the church officially stated?

 

[Louie1983]

Why should they be confused?

What has the church officially stated?

To be honest i’m one of the confused ones. I have read statments saying that there is nothing left to reveal from the vatican, then i have read statements saying that there is more to come from the vatican. There are quotes from sister lucia saying the truth has been revealed entirely and then there are statements from saying that it has not been revealed.

So i really don’t know.

 

[Shoshana]

The confusion may lie in the fact that there were two texts. One of the vision and one of the words of the Maddona ABOUT the vision…accroding to Socci…which could explain a lot…

 

[pnewton]

Thankyou! I was looking for that article so i can enlighten our friend hesychios!

Better that our enlightenment come from Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the teaching authority Holy Mother Church. Yes, there are those in the Church that mix new age, witchcraft and even secular humanism. The Church has always survived these with Truth intact, unlike blogs and books.

 

[Shoshana]

Better that our enlightenment come from Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the teaching authority Holy Mother Church. Yes, there are those in the Church that mix new age, witchcraft and even secular humanism. The Church has always survived these with Truth intact, unlike blogs and books.

Please, explain to me what that has to do with the smoke of satan? I have always mentioned Mother church is Holy. Always. And that is whole point, that the humanity of the church can be corrupted at times, some times more than others.

Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition or the teaching authority of the church has not touched upon the words of the Blessed Virgin explaining the vision.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Hi OTCA,

Would you mind letting me know about the book also? I’m quiet interested to here what it says.

Thanks and god bless.

It talks about the Freemasons associated with Satan But I’ll let you know.

 

[Shoshana]

It talks about the Freemasons associated with Satan But I’ll let you know.

I hope you are jesting! I haven’t encountered that as of yet and i almost fisnished the book…was up to 4:30 AM reading. The book is explosive…

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

I hope you are jesting! I haven’t encountered that as of yet and i almost fisnished the book…was up to 4:30 AM reading. The book is explosive…

No, I am not “jesting” (does that imply lying?) On page 115, Chapter 5 “The Secret Meaning of the Events” goes like this:
**That day in 1917 there was a young Polish seminarian, Maxamilian Kolbe, in Saint Peter’s Square when a group of Masons, celebrating the 200th anniversary of the founding of the Grand Lodge, unfurled a banner which read: “Satan will rule the Vatican, and the pope will be his slave.” **

 

[NoWings]

No, I am not “jesting” (does that imply lying?) On page 115, Chapter 5 “The Secret Meaning of the Events” goes like this:
**That day in 1917 there was a young Polish seminarian, Maxamilian Kolbe, in Saint Peter’s Square when a group of Masons, celebrating the 200th anniversary of the founding of the Grand Lodge, unfurled a banner which read: “Satan will rule the Vatican, and the pope will be his slave.” **

I want to know the sources for this.

 

[Theodora]

To top the topic of this thread, yesterday I received in the mail unsolicited a book titled The Fourth Secret of Fatima, by Antonio Socci.

I am Catholic, but for some reason I have very little interest in this back-and-forth wrangling on what the real third message of Fatima is. As far as I am concerned the initial message laid the ground rules of what will happen if certain conditions will not be met: Pray often, fast, make sacrifices, lead a chaste (pure) life, say the Rosary daily, pray the prayers the angel gave to the children. Basically, the request was to lead more Godly lives.

Now with the claim of a 4th secret, what are we are going to do with this “real” third secret? Not enough of the faithful have even heeded the first secret.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

I want to know the sources for this.

Huh? The source is given here.

 

[Louie1983]

Better that our enlightenment come from Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the teaching authority Holy Mother Church. Yes, there are those in the Church that mix new age, witchcraft and even secular humanism. The Church has always survived these with Truth intact, unlike blogs and books.

Amen brother! amen!

 

[Louie1983]

It talks about the Freemasons associated with Satan But I’ll let you know.

Thankyou, appreciate it.

 

[Louie1983]

I want to know the sources for this.

You can actually read about this in the life of Saint Maximillian Kolbe. He encountered this as he was walking through the grounds of St Peter, this event in tun inspired him to start the knights of the immaculata as a way to fight the enemies of the church and to spread the faith.

This incident is remembered as the infamous “black worship” and i think it happened in the early 30’s from memory. They had signs of the devil crushing the head of st michael and were also singing satanic hymms closeby to the pope’s window. I wonder where the Swiss guards were?

 

[Louie1983]

To top the topic of this thread, yesterday I received in the mail unsolicited a book titled The Fourth Secret of Fatima, by Antonio Socci.

I am Catholic, but for some reason I have very little interest in this back-and-forth wrangling on what the real third message of Fatima is. As far as I am concerned the initial message laid the ground rules of what will happen if certain conditions will not be met: Pray often, fast, make sacrifices, lead a chaste (pure) life, say the Rosary daily, pray the prayers the angel gave to the children. Basically, the request was to lead more Godly lives.

Now with the claim of a 4th secret, what are we are going to do with this “real” third secret? Not enough of the faithful have even heeded the first secret.

Agree 100%. I don’t think mankind has learnt and heeded the message of our lady of Fatima.

“pray the rosary everyday, to obtain peace!”

 

[VARC]

This was a comment I lifted from elsewhere, which is part of Pope John Paul II’s statement during an interview at Fulda, Germany in 1980, relating to the Third Secret.

“It should have been made public in l960, but because of its troubling content, and to dissuade the superpowers from undertaking war, my predecessors in the papal chair have chosen the diplomatic way.” (The Pope thus admitted the authenticity of the excerpts made by Pope Paul Vl). “On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this much: if there is a message in which it is said that the oceans will flood entire sections of the earth; that, from one moment to the other, millions of people will perish . . . there is no longer any point in really wanting to publish this secret message.”

Another part of the Secret claimed the great calamity would occur in the 2nd half of the 20th century. Well, unless one takes the various wars, famines, the Gulags etc as being the prophecy, it didn’t happen. Millions didn’t die from hour to hour.

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I suspect the secret either is predicts something that didn’t happen (thus debunking all of Fatima) or the secret says some pretty nasty things about the Vatican. Both scenarios provide a motive for the cover-up.

 

[Shoshana]

I suspect the secret either is predicts something that didn’t happen (thus debunking all of Fatima) or the secret says some pretty nasty things about the Vatican. Both scenarios provide a motive for the cover-up.

Nasty enough that Sr Lucia was terried in writing it down under obedience. She needed Our Lady’s help in doing so. Actually, it was dictated by Our Lady to her to write…

 

[Shoshana]

You can actually read about this in the life of Saint Maximillian Kolbe. He encountered this as he was walking through the grounds of St Peter, this event in tun inspired him to start the knights of the immaculata as a way to fight the enemies of the church and to spread the faith.

This incident is remembered as the infamous “black worship” and i think it happened in the early 30’s from memory. They had signs of the devil crushing the head of st michael and were also singing satanic hymms closeby to the pope’s window. I wonder where the Swiss guards were?

The link is from a tradiationalist site but the quotes are kosher…

"In the years leading up to the war, the masonic ‘clique’, disapproved of on several occasions by the Sovereign Pontiffs, governed in Rome, the capital of Christianity, with ever greater impudence. It did not even hesitate to brandish in the streets of the City during the festivities in honour of Giordano Bruno, a black flag showing the Archangel Saint Michael beneath the feet of Lucifer; still less did they hesitate to brandish masonic insignia beneath the windows of the Vatican. A reckless hand felt no repugnance in writing: Satan will rule in the Vatican and the Pope will serve him in the uniform of a Swiss Guard, and other things of that kind. This mortal hatred for the Church of Jesus Christ and for His Vicar was not just a prank on the part of deranged individuals, but a systematic action proceeding from the principle of Freemasonry: Destroy all religion, whatever it may be, especially the Catholic religion." - written by Fr. Kolbe in 1939

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**“The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion… Consequently, neither the excommunication nor the other penalties envisaged have been abrogated.” -*Cardinal Ratzinger, Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, November 26, 1983 ***
tldm.org/News9/St.Maximilian&Masons.htm