The Third Secret

[Shoshana]

No, I am not “jesting” (does that imply lying?) On page 115, Chapter 5 “The Secret Meaning of the Events” goes like this:
**That day in 1917 there was a young Polish seminarian, Maxamilian Kolbe, in Saint Peter’s Square when a group of Masons, celebrating the 200th anniversary of the founding of the Grand Lodge, unfurled a banner which read: “Satan will rule the Vatican, and the pope will be his slave.” **

Jesting does not imply lying.

I have not yet encountered Masonry in Socci’s book…and I’ve read quite a bit…

 

[Shoshana]

To top the topic of this thread, yesterday I received in the mail unsolicited a book titled The Fourth Secret of Fatima, by Antonio Socci.

I am Catholic, but for some reason I have very little interest in this back-and-forth wrangling on what the real third message of Fatima is. As far as I am concerned the initial message laid the ground rules of what will happen if certain conditions will not be met: Pray often, fast, make sacrifices, lead a chaste (pure) life, say the Rosary daily, pray the prayers the angel gave to the children. Basically, the request was to lead more Godly lives.

Now with the claim of a 4th secret, what are we are going to do with this “real” third secret? Not enough of the faithful have even heeded the first secret.

The whole problem is the people have not listened…the good and the bad according to Our Lady’s words.

So, it is important that we be told again and again. Jesus repeated Himself repeated a number of times in His ministry. We are pretty dense as humans…

 

[Shoshana]

I suspect the secret either is predicts something that didn’t happen (thus debunking all of Fatima) or the secret says some pretty nasty things about the Vatican. Both scenarios provide a motive for the cover-up.

And oh yes…there is no debunking up to now. She predicted WW2 while WW1 was still going on. And this became true due to the peoples’ sins at the time…

 

[VARC]

And oh yes…there is no debunking up to now. She predicted WW2 while WW1 was still going on. And this became true due to the peoples’ sins at the time…

But she didn’t write that “secret” down until WWII had already started. Not really that remarkable.

 

[Victorious]

But she didn’t write that “secret” down until WWII had already started. Not really that remarkable.

The miracle of the sun is kind of hard to debunk. It was predicted in advance. Plus, tens of thousands of people saw it. Plus plus, not everybody who saw it was at the Cova da Iria. It was seen at distances of up to 33 miles, thereby ruling out crowd hysteria.

Looks like L’Osservatore Romano published a photograph of the miracle in 1951, although the photograph doesn’t do justice to it as described:

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[Shoshana]

:hypno:

The miracle of the sun is kind of hard to debunk. It was predicted in advance. Plus, tens of thousands of people saw it. Plus plus, not everybody who saw it was at the Cova da Iria. It was seen at distances of up to 33 miles, thereby ruling out crowd hysteria.

Looks like L’Osservatore Romano published a photograph of the miracle in 1951, although the photograph doesn’t do justice to it as described:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/timmatkin/Fatima_Miracle_of_the_Sun.jpg

You are right and I was just going to write this down and had post written when I discovered yours with almost the same words…:hypno:

But this will be argued because it was written later…Sr Lucia was way too humble to have written this down. And she only wrote it down becausee of obedience.

There were may prophecies fulfilled - the death of her two cousins were declared to Lucia. And who in their right would want to prophecy a cherished cousin’s death?

 

[Victorious]

:hypno:
You are right and I was just going to write this down and had post written when I discovered yours with almost the same words…:hypno:

But this will be argued because it was written later…Sr Lucia was way too humble to have written this down. And she only wrote it down becausee of obedience.

Spooky, ain’t it? :whacky: And I forgot to add in that post that the phenomenon was widely reported in Portugal’s anti-Catholic press.

As far as the timing of Sr. Lucia’s writing down the secrets, it pays to remember that there are no reasonable grounds to suspect her veracity. When a person claims to have seen the Blessed Mother, that person is going to be subjected to the ecclesiastical equivalent of spotlights and rubber hoses. Sr. Lucia went through all that. Her fortitude, humility, patience and – above all – obedience in the face of the cataract of tribulations resulting from these events speak volumes. Compare this to the fake visionaries.

The Catholic Church has debunked more crappola than any other person or entity in the history of the world, and she knows how to do it effectively. This ought to give pause, even to those who don’t believe that she is the true Church.

 

[Louie1983]

The link is from a tradiationalist site but the quotes are kosher…

"In the years leading up to the war, the masonic ‘clique’, disapproved of on several occasions by the Sovereign Pontiffs, governed in Rome, the capital of Christianity, with ever greater impudence. It did not even hesitate to brandish in the streets of the City during the festivities in honour of Giordano Bruno, a black flag showing the Archangel Saint Michael beneath the feet of Lucifer; still less did they hesitate to brandish masonic insignia beneath the windows of the Vatican. A reckless hand felt no repugnance in writing: Satan will rule in the Vatican and the Pope will serve him in the uniform of a Swiss Guard, and other things of that kind. This mortal hatred for the Church of Jesus Christ and for His Vicar was not just a prank on the part of deranged individuals, but a systematic action proceeding from the principle of Freemasonry: Destroy all religion, whatever it may be, especially the Catholic religion." - written by Fr. Kolbe in 1939

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**“The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion… Consequently, neither the excommunication nor the other penalties envisaged have been abrogated.” -*Cardinal Ratzinger, Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, November 26, 1983 ***
tldm.org/News9/St.Maximilian&Masons.htm

Thankyou Shoshana!

That’s what i was referring to! god bless!

 

[Earnest_Bunbury]

Is it a secret the devil wants to destroy the Church? I think we battle that with truth, sacrifice, and charity. The truth is in the Church’s Magisterial teaching, sacrifice is adherence to it, and charity toward those who come our way. This is, in a nutshell, the revelations to St. Faustina in her diary. No interpretation needed there. It isn’t as exciting but surer in its results than speculation on “secrets”.

 

[Shoshana]

Is it a secret the devil wants to destroy the Church? I think we battle that with truth, sacrifice, and charity. The truth is in the Church’s Magisterial teaching, sacrifice is adherence to it, and charity toward those who come our way. This is, in a nutshell, the revelations to St. Faustina in her diary. No interpretation needed there. It isn’t as exciting but surer in its results than speculation on “secrets”.

Then why did Our Lady bother to come at all then? And why has hierarchy taken so much effort in NOT revealing?

One of the hypotheses is exactly that: the corruption of the clergy from the top down which will bring many souls into hell with it. This is thought to match the words from LaSalette. That being said, I still think it is worse. Sr Lucia had a hard time writing the secret down. She has mentioned before this the loss of clergy souls. she was sad about it but not terrified.

This time she was terrified. Our souls are at jeopardy and so many others…Even in Divine Mercy, St Faustina was told that there would be a spark from Poland that would prepare the people in its last days. JP2 is this Pope. JP2 wanted to reveal the secret…the prelates did not want him to.

 

[Shoshana]

But she didn’t write that “secret” down until WWII had already started. Not really that remarkable.

After retiring to bed last night after being on the computer, I read a few pages of Socci’s book. You may be right in the fact that Lucia did not write down the Secret as in form fo a diary but she certainly warned the Bishop and Pope of the imminent WW2. On February 6, 1939, (amongst other letters), six months before the outbreak of the conflict (of WW2), Sr Lucia writes to her bishop that ‘the war predicted by Our Lady is imminent,’ …

Socci: ‘Whoever objects that Lucia wrote these things post eventum, in 1941, forgets that the children at unexpected times had shown a knowledge of what would happen and that Sr Lucia has already made a first draft of the first two parts of the Secret in 1927. (Only under the orders of her confessor did she destroy it, but in the face of critical observations, she pointed to it as evidence.’

Socci, P176.,

 

[cthulhubryan]

Here is the biggest secret of all → Only evil will cloak itself itself in secrecy in order to conceal it’s hideous nature.

The Truth, on the other hand, has absolutely no need for secrecy and it is really no surprise that there are no secrets in Islam… none whatsoever.

Quite true. This is why Islam forbids any who do not follow Mahomet from going to Mecca where the pagan running and ritual blood sacrifice are done.

 

[pnewton]

Then why did Our Lady bother to come at all then? And why has hierarchy taken so much effort in NOT revealing?

Approved revelations only reinforce the doctrine that the Church already teaches. The Catholic Church has declared the Canon of Scripture to be closed. No approved revelation or apparition is required to be followed by the faithful. Mary is the Queen of Heaven and the Mother of the Church. In this role, she only supports and helps the faithful, but does not usurp the authority of her son on this Earth. That now reside with Pope Benedict XVI.

Your second question assumes the point you make. Circular.

 

[Shoshana]

Approved revelations only reinforce the doctrine that the Church already teaches. The Catholic Church has declared the Canon of Scripture to be closed. No approved revelation or apparition is required to be followed by the faithful. Mary is the Queen of Heaven and the Mother of the Church. In this role, she only supports and helps the faithful, but does not usurp the authority of her son on this Earth. That now reside with Pope Benedict XVI.

Your second question assumes the point you make. Circular.

I do not disagree with what you say…it is absolutely true. But Just as the King of France did not bring France under the Sacred Heart of Jesus…and just look at the consequences of that!..there has also been consequences of not listening to the Fatima messages. These messages are given (which torally support the Magisterium of the Church and Holy Scripture, nothing new nere) for a reason. We have not been good catholics at all (on the whole). We do not realize the consequences of sin. Scripture says all of this. The book of Revelation gives a glimpse of what is to come because of Evil.

That being said, there is corruption within the humanity of the church. There are some prelates in the Vatican who are not living the Gospel Message…otherwise why the controversy. Why stop JP2 from reading the explanation of the vision? She explained the other visions…and why not this one?

What is there so frightening that Sr Lucia was seriously terrified of writing it down? Why did she need to have Our Lady help her? She knew the corruption of the humanity of the Church. She had no problem with this at all…what is there so sinister that paralyzed her very hand from writing it down?

There is speculations by the million. Mine? Well, I know in my heart it is something terrible. I just hope it has nothing to do with the Anti-Christ. It is also in Scripture that many of the elect will be deceived…I just pray and hope that I am not one of them…

 

[Victorious]

Just as an aside:

…the Archangel Saint Michael beneath the feet of Lucifer…

THAT’LL be the day!

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Mary is the Queen of Heaven and the Mother of the Church. In this role, she only supports and helps the faithful, but does not usurp the authority of her son on this Earth. That now reside with Pope Benedict XVI.

I would agree that the pope is at least attempting to usurp the authority of Christ.

 

[Shoshana]

Just as an aside:

THAT’LL be the day!

the Pride of lucifer still lingers!

 

[Victorious]

I would agree that the pope is at least attempting to usurp the authority of Christ.

He doesn’t need to usurp it. He has it ex officio.

 

[pnewton]

I would agree that the pope is at least attempting to usurp the authority of Christ.

Well, of course you would believe that, but it is even Protestants acknowledge the God can and does delegate authority to people on Earth. It is a very biblical concept even if one does not believe it happened to the successors of the apostles.

 

[Earnest_Bunbury]

I do not disagree with what you say…it is absolutely true. But Just as the King of France did not bring France under the Sacred Heart of Jesus…and just look at the consequences of that!..there has also been consequences of not listening to the Fatima messages. These messages are given (which torally support the Magisterium of the Church and Holy Scripture, nothing new nere) for a reason. We have not been good catholics at all (on the whole). We do not realize the consequences of sin. Scripture says all of this. The book of Revelation gives a glimpse of what is to come because of Evil.

That being said, there is corruption within the humanity of the church. There are some prelates in the Vatican who are not living the Gospel Message…otherwise why the controversy. Why stop JP2 from reading the explanation of the vision? She explained the other visions…and why not this one?

What is there so frightening that Sr Lucia was seriously terrified of writing it down? Why did she need to have Our Lady help her? She knew the corruption of the humanity of the Church. She had no problem with this at all…what is there so sinister that paralyzed her very hand from writing it down?

There is speculations by the million. Mine? Well, I know in my heart it is something terrible. I just hope it has nothing to do with the Anti-Christ. It is also in Scripture that many of the elect will be deceived…I just pray and hope that I am not one of them…

Nothing on earth can be as bad as those who face Divine Justice on Judgment Day. Luke 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him Who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him. Worldly clergy are a given; the Holy Spirit protects the Magisterial teaching and doing what the Clergy does, like the Pharisees, is not what we should do, because they are subject to sin like we are. Many ignore and many more reject the teaching given to us and justice will be terrible if His mercy is not accepted. The angels tremble in advance of that day.