The Truth About Islam

[KingAlfred]

Eight-Month Pregnant Woman Killed over ‘Honor’

KARACHI: An eight-month pregnant woman, 26-year-old Fahima, was allegedly killed by her family in the name of honour on Wednesday. This is the first such incident in the current year. According to the victim’s husband Gul Zamin, the couple had got married against their families’ wishes and eloped from Swabi to Karachi, where they had been hiding for the last six or seven years in fear of their lives. According to details, Zamin’s wife and their five-year-old daughter were at their rented house in the slums of Mohammadi Colony when the culprits broke into the house and tortured Fahima; they escaped after stabbing her to death. According to Zamin, the victim’s father and brother - who had arrived in Karachi after a tip-off about Fahima’s presence in the city - were behind the incident. He suspected that the culprits might have returned to their hometown after murdering his wife. According to Docks police station’s Deputy Superintendent of Police Javed Iqbal Bhatti, the accused had attacked the woman’s head and stomach with an axe and a dagger.

 

[planten]

Islam Hates Science

**Islamic propaganda has led us to believe the so-called ‘Golden Age of Islam’ laid foundations for a cultural and scientific renaissance in antiquity. Quite the opposite is true. Whatever advancements occurred in Islam during this time, were inspired largely by non-Muslims, who circumvented the obstruction of fundamentalist Islamic beliefs. Additionally, Muslim intellectuals active in this era, in some way or another, usually borrowed their ideas from Western predecessors. In fact, the Muslim world is so shockingly behind the West today because Islam rejects science, viewing its universal, objective laws as a collective insult to its barbaric, tribal god, Allah. Judaism and Christianity, on the other hand, offer a viable, theological basis for scientific inquiry, and have helped their adherents achieve material progress for the betterment of Mankind. **

The whole report of King is false. The princes of Europe were getting education in learning centers of Muslim Spain. Europe was in dark ages. The Romans did not have system of numerology ( any good number system.). They had I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII… KIng try to add five plus Nine by those figures. Try it. V+IX=???

YOu should remember that the church was against all new knowledge.

1. Church did not believe that earth moved.
2. Church did not believe that Sun Moved. Even science people did not believe that Sun was moving.
3. Church punished Galileo for announcing the spots in the Sun.

There were so many other bad beliefs in the religious system of the church. The present day progress in science field is all because of the secular persons. It is nothing to do with church.

The present day progress in science has only been possible because the church stopped (for ever) its intervention in science matters. Thanks to God that church stopped interfering in the investigative and experimental matters.

There was lot of contribution in science field by the Muslims.But later they went to sleep. EXcellent progress has been made by the western countries in the field of Mathematics and Physics. Agreed.

 

[Young_Thinker]

Islam is immoral and teaches immoral behavior. Slavery is ok, pediphilia is ok if the baby, or girl child is labeled a wife, stoning and beheading a woman is ok if they don’t have 4 witnesses to their rape, beating women and children, raping and abusing slaves which include children both boys and girls, deceiving unbelievers is ok if it advances Islam, no non-Muslim have any rights under Islam and Muslim women have half the rights of men, etc. The immoralities in Islam are numerous.

I am not a Muslim, and I know that you are certainly not a Christian! So, my brief examples may be poor. Slavery, for one, has only recently been regarded as wrong in all forms(I can see the sarcastic implications-I just finished talking about absolute morality!), and God(in any of the Abrahamic religions) has never directed condemned it. In addition, though there were indirect criticism by God of polygyny in the Bible(though God never changes, He gives the impression rather “pragmatic” in the Old Testament) , I think that Judeo-Christian monogamy honestly has more to do with the fact that the Romans disliked(and prohibited) polygamy, while the Arabian peninsula had never been under direct Roman influence. There is also some question about whether the idea of child brides is inherently wrong, as long as the marriages are never consummated until after the girl has reached full physical(and a little psychological) maturity(say, at the age of 14); hopefully, she is given some chance of getting out of her marriage before then if she wishes(Islamic marriage is theoretically just a civil contract, but I would think that something resembling an annulment, as upon the grounds of non-consummation, exists, but maybe I am being a little too optimistic) . I do not believe that it at all right ethical to take an innocent, 9-year old girl (not a woman, to any strict Muslims who may be reading this!) away from her family, but people can have really strange beliefs. Muhammad did something like that with Ayesha, but since they were not intimate until later, I would not go as far as calling him a pedophile.

 

[Young_Thinker]

…I am just trying to play a devil’s advocate, certainly not trying to excuse licentious 50 or 60-year old men taking little girls as wives.

 

[pismopal]

…Just as religious objectivity exists, there are universal fundamentals of an absolute morality, which have been ordained by God yet are irrespective of one’s own beliefs. Zoroaster and the Buddha (Gautama) knew this, and so probably did Muhammad. A head-hunting cannibal may be revered as a hero within his own tribe, but he is still a disgusting murderer.

You may not have understood my point as I do not recognise a response to anything I have said. Muslim response to world outrage over their violence will often bring a reference to the Crusaders or what they describe as violent OT verses. To them, it is a logical argument…not for me…how about you?

 

[staffsgt7]

I am not a Muslim, and I know that you are certainly not a Christian! So, my brief examples may be poor. Slavery, for one, has only recently been regarded as wrong in all forms(I can see the sarcastic implications-I just finished talking about absolute morality!), and God(in any of the Abrahamic religions) has never directed condemned it. In addition, though there were indirect criticism by God of polygyny in the Bible(though God never changes, He gives the impression rather “pragmatic” in the Old Testament) , I think that Judeo-Christian monogamy honestly has more to do with the fact that the Romans disliked(and prohibited) polygamy, while the Arabian peninsula had never been under direct Roman influence. There is also some question about whether the idea of child brides is inherently wrong, as long as the marriages are never consummated until after the girl has reached full physical(and a little psychological) maturity(say, at the age of 14); hopefully, she is given some chance of getting out of her marriage before then if she wishes(Islamic marriage is theoretically just a civil contract, but I would think that something resembling an annulment, as upon the grounds of non-consummation, exists, but maybe I am being a little too optimistic) . I do not believe that it at all right ethical to take an innocent, 9-year old girl (not a woman, to any strict Muslims who may be reading this!) away from her family, but people can have really strange beliefs. Muhammad did something like that with Ayesha, but since they were not intimate until later, I would not go as far as calling him a pedophile.

Here is a point, in a Judeo Christian society the people are allowed to change. the laws change. In an Islamic one, Sharia laws will not change because they are based on the Koran and sunnah, or the unchanging word of their God. There is no movement to change them and slavery is still going on. There is no movement within Islam to change the disgusting laws that are just outright immoral. If Muslims try to change it they know they will be killed. Most of what they give us about islam being civil and peaceful only applies to Muslims but even then they carry on with their brutality against other sects of Muslims who do not have the power.

I will call him a pedophile and that behavior is encouraged. Babies as young as 1 yr old are labeled as wives so their pediphiles can have them. At such a young age they are not to have vaginal sex with them but are allowed to sodomize and put their members on them to masterbate.

Aisha was thighed until she was 9 yrs old.

 

[Young_Thinker]

Forgive me, for sometimes I hurriedly read and write. However, as for the Muslims’ said statements, that is only natural human behavior. Everyone does that. Yet, I also often think of the fairly recent story about Muslims (in Ethiopia?; I forgot) retaliating to Islam being called violent by burning down churches! I hardly think that it is normal(and definitely not rational).

You may not have understood my point as I do not recognise a response to anything I have said. Muslim response to world outrage over their violence will often bring a reference to the Crusaders or what they describe as violent OT verses. To them, it is a logical argument…not for me…how about you?

 

[Young_Thinker]

Here is a point, in a Judeo Christian society the people are allowed to change. the laws change. In an Islamic one, Sharia laws will not change because they are based on the Koran and sunnah, or the unchanging word of their God. There is no movement to change them and slavery is still going on. There is no movement within Islam to change the disgusting laws that are just outright immoral. If Muslims try to change it they know they will be killed. Most of what they give us about islam being civil and peaceful only applies to Muslims but even then they carry on with their brutality against other sects of Muslims who do not have the power.
QUOTE]Because of time, I do not think that I can answer everything, unfortunately. I agree with the majority of what you have said. However, at least Muslims are very assertive when it comes to their “rights” and traditions, as opposed to, say, many Christians today. There are also almost no Muslims whom, say, believe that homophilia is acceptable. No to go off-topic, but the ideas of the “Christian” Left and Western society in general are often, needless to say, outlandish and dangerous. In addition, if can, I do not want to turn this into a discussion bashing and defending Muhammad.

 

[dzheremi]

So because Muslims are in opposition to something that you are also in opposition to, Islam is to be defended by Christians and other people who are murdered and oppressed as a direct result of its laws and edicts? I don’t think so! No for a second. When you defend Islam as a system for the sake of preserving your traditional morality against “leftists” or whoever, you legitimize brutality against your own communities. Wake the hell up. First they come for the homosexuals, and you are fine with it because you’re not a homosexual, then they come for the Jews and you are fine with it because you’re not a Jew…I’m sure you can remember what happens at the end of Pastor Martin Niemoller’s poem. It’s happening now to your fellow Christians as well as progressive-minded Muslims, atheists, and other undesireables all over the Islamic world and even outside of it in immigrant communities. It is entirely the fault of Islam, which brutalizes everyone with its unwavering edicts against those who do not tow its line.

An aside to tie it all together, with reference to past conversation:

That’s what Planten, Friendship, et al. cannot seem to grasp: The horrible tragedies that constantly befall non-Muslim minorities in Muslim-occupied lands are the fault of Islam, because the entire legal framework that, say…allows for the murderers of 21 innocent people based on their religious affiliation to go free while punishing the accidental murder of ONE Muslim is based on the distinctions made within the Islamic religion itself. That’s why it’s called Islamic law. It’s not secular law. It’s not Christian law. It’s not Hindu, Buddhist, or Zoroastrian law. It’s Islamic law, so Islam is to blame. Quit trying to weasel out of it or excuse it just because you want to make the argument that it is “intolerant” to be intolerant of Islamic intolerance! Intolerance of non-Muslim lives and cultures, intolerance of true pluralism, intolerance of criticism of Islam or Muhammad, intolerance of impartial analysis of the Qur’an or the Sunnah, intolerance of everything that drives Muslims to leave their backwards, Shari’a-dominated countries to seek employment, education, and decent, free lives in the West, where Islam’s laws and mores, thank THE HOLY TRINITY, are treated as but one elective system of life among many, not privileged above all others and immune to criticism.

 

[staffsgt7]

I need to mention an article about some of the comments about the findings of Maj. Hasan’s slaughter of unarmed civilians (big, bad Jihadist ). Here is a quote which tells us POINT BLANK that they are telling us that Muslims are not to be dividing their loyalties between the countries they migrate to and the teachings of Islam.

We see here in this article making clear some fiqhs in Islam it is hitting us in the face that Muslims cannot be loyal citizens of any country they immigrate to. They base this on their religion. Whether or not we do is irrelevant. IT IS WHAT THEY DO AND THINK. Telling us differently is just a bunch of hogwash since sanctioned deception to confuse the population is ordained and made holy by Islam. I have put a link to this below the quote from the article above.

One can instead look to the International Fiqh Academy, a body set up by the Organization for the Islamic Conference, a veritable ‘United Nations of Islam’. The Academy’s stated purpose is to “achieve the theoretical and practical unity” of the worldwide Islamic community by providing authoritative interpretations of the teachings of Islam. In other words it seeks to guide the whole Muslim world on the right religious path.

The Fiqh Academy has solicited rulings from the world’s most respected Islamic jurists on certain questions of interest. One of these questions relates directly to the Major Hasan’s issue of divided loyalties: it was asked whether it is lawful, according to Islam, for a Muslim to become a naturalized citizen of a non-Muslim nation such as America .

The Fiqh Academy ’s findings, reported on its website in Arabic, are salutary. The Muslim authorities were concerned about the issue of divided loyalties. Their rulings presuppose that naturalization in a non-Muslim nation, without proper justification, is unacceptable. Most considered that it could be allowed, but only under specific conditions of dire necessity, for example if Muslims have been persecuted in their own country, and they could find no Muslim society to escape to.

Another condition was that the naturalized Muslim should not seek to advance the cause of their adopted nation above that of Islam. Former Supreme Court Judge of Pakistan , and vice president of the Fiqh Academy , Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani stated that “if naturalization in a foreign nationality is for the purpose of rendering it mighty and to be proud of it, or to prefer it to the Muslim nationality, or to resemble its people in practical life, this is absolutely forbidden.”

Another distinguished member of the Fiqh Academy, Sheikh Muhammad Mukhtar al-Salami, the former Grand Mufti of Tunisia, was concerned that if a Muslim adopts a new flag, an adverse consequence could be having to serve in the military against fellow Muslims: “he is one of the members of the state which he has associated with, and should a war occur between this state and an Islamic state, his duty demands him to fight Muslims and to pour bombs over their heads.” Sheikh al-Salami concluded that under such circumstances, to become an American citizen would be “an absolute rejection of the rules of Islam.”

Religion is something which we in the West would prefer remained as a private category. However an adequate response to the tragic case of Major Hasan demands that his Koranic World View not be dismissed as something belonging to the private world of personal preferences. Major Hasan’s commanding officers should have paid closer attention when he was explaining his beliefs about the Koran, jihad and loyalty. If they had dedicated themselves to comprehending his World View, and acknowledged the implications of its crystal-clear logic, his thirteen victims would still be alive today.

Deception to advance Islam.

In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ’ to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy’.
According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty.

 

[staffsgt7]

Video about Jihad is Obligatory. It has English captions. It says Jihad is obligatory on for all Muslims in Sharia laws too - by their tongues (taqiyya, kithman, and da’wa), by their wealth (Muslim charity or zakat) and by the sword (violence is always an option).

• the guy talks about how the martyrs are ‘kissed by angels’
• martyrs or shaheed are taken straight to heaven
• he talks about the ‘black eyed virgins’ and just goes on and on about them
• another guy talks about waking up in the morning and checking on the number of martyrs not caring how many are killed and could care less at how many children are killed.

it keeps on about the sickness in Islam

But more importantly we see here the lack of poverty and the ranks of power these men have. We see no attempts to change Islam from them or from any Muslim on this forum. We see here who are teaching the masses of Muslims what Islam is on TV.

In places where they are killing non-Muslims and destroying Churches where do all these mosque-going religious Muslems get the idea that they should burn Christian churches? A local Muslem professor says: "the violence against Christians is caused by small groups of Islamic extremists, whose knowledge of “true Islam is very poor.” How come, having been raised in a Muslem society and preached to by Muslem religious leaders, their knowledge of “true Islam is so misunderstood by these extremists”

Of course I am being sarcastic. I know where it comes from: Islam - from its texts from their laws from the example of their prophet.

 

[dzheremi]

It is strange that you should post that particular video, Sgt. I was just sent a link to it yesterday from a youtube friend among the growing Algerian Christian population. It still blows my mind. Some of the other videos I’ve been sent by other Christians of the region are also mind-blowing for far more graphic reasons.

I cannot believe that anyone can hear such words or see the images of the destruction wrought by these fake, so-called “martyrs” and still claim that Islam is a peaceful religion. It defies even the most generous definitions of reason. These people, preaching destruction with the authority granted to religious leaders, don’t seem to just hate us non-Muslims and our lives; they seem more often to hate life itself. It is so incredibly sad and confusing.

 

[staffsgt7]

Here is something else that I just got:

On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with P.L.O. executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. In which he said he said:

“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan , which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa , while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa , Jaffa , Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem . However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine , we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan .”

I have never referred to the people of that area as Palestinians. They are ‘Arabs who call themselves Palestinians’. It is pretty obvious that there is no concept of peace. We can also see that in all the treaties that they have broken. They whine about the Israelis fighting back but not a peep out of them when the Hamas (or Fatah, or the PLO, or whoever) are shooting bombs at them daily. All is good and great in Islam when the Israelis just take their medicine (bombs) and until they say the shahada or die there will never be peace.

 

[dzheremi]

Man, pan-Arabism sucks. A million thumbs down to that way of thinking.

 

[staffsgt7]

Do you want to become even more sick of it all? Here is an article that I base one of my presentations on about the Muslim Brotherhood in Europe and also the USA.

Take note of what they do in our colleges. The MSA is nothing but a recruiting arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. The truth about Islam and its history are the last things they teach. MPAC is influencing our media, and there are a whole host of other Muslim organizations working to lull us into complacency and ignorance.

For now it is too inconvenient for our government to deal with this. And I am not picking on Obama even though he has sped things up by opening up the ability for zakat to be given to the violent Jihadists and to organizations in the Muslim Brotherhood, Bush did not do too much in regards to the Muslim Brotherhood either.

The Muslim Brotherhood is aligned with such ilk as Al Qaeda, Hamas, the Saudi Wahabbis and more than 70 violent Jihadist groups here and abroad. Saddam Hussein and Arafat were also aligned with this group. Arafat was a member of it at 17 yrs old. It was a joke to give the Nobel Peace Prize to that runt.

If you take that obligatory Jihad video and put it with this and realize that Jihad is not only terror and violence then it starts coming together. Jihad can be done with the tongue and with their wealth also and it is obligatory for all Muslims to do - sharia laws o9 - but the violent kind is better according to Sharia laws. It is why none of the Muslims are doing anything to change Islam and only give us the lines of taqiyya.

 

[KingAlfred]

The Myth of Islam’s ‘Golden Age’
All Islam did was copy Byzantine art and architecture, and in the process, found Classical works of Western antiquity it then tampered with, but in an insignificant way. Besides, most so-called Muslim intellectuals of the time were not Muslims at all. As for the Quran and Hadith, they’re specifically hostile toward Science and sophisticated culture. Allah, according to Islam, can’t be associated with Science, with the ideal of perfection, with creation itself, because he has to be free to exercise his will, especially when it finds evil expression. In Islam, Allah isn’t perceived as virtuous. He isn’t a god who can’t sin. To the contrary, he’s a god who can do anything he wants, to include the commission of evil acts. He’s a god who authorizes child-rape, mass murder, torture, misogyny, rape in general, and theft. Allah must retain his freedom to be evil. That’s a key Islamic theological idea. This explains why there is no moral equivalent in the Quran to Jesus’ Golden Rule, in the case of non-Muslims.

 

[friendship]

Islam Hates Science

**Islamic propaganda has led us to believe the so-called ‘Golden Age of Islam’ laid foundations for a cultural and scientific renaissance in antiquity. Quite the opposite is true. Whatever advancements occurred in Islam during this time, were inspired largely by non-Muslims, who circumvented the obstruction of fundamentalist Islamic beliefs. Additionally, Muslim intellectuals active in this era, in some way or another, usually borrowed their ideas from Western predecessors. In fact, the Muslim world is so shockingly behind the West today because Islam rejects science, viewing its universal, objective laws as a collective insult to its barbaric, tribal god, Allah. Judaism and Christianity, on the other hand, offer a viable, theological basis for scientific inquiry, and have helped their adherents achieve material progress for the betterment of Mankind. **

What are these? Another lies? How do you can confirm these lies?

 

[friendship]

Eight-Month Pregnant Woman Killed over ‘Honor’

KARACHI: An eight-month pregnant woman, 26-year-old Fahima, was allegedly killed by her family in the name of honour on Wednesday. This is the first such incident in the current year. According to the victim’s husband Gul Zamin, the couple had got married against their families’ wishes and eloped from Swabi to Karachi, where they had been hiding for the last six or seven years in fear of their lives. According to details, Zamin’s wife and their five-year-old daughter were at their rented house in the slums of Mohammadi Colony when the culprits broke into the house and tortured Fahima; they escaped after stabbing her to death. According to Zamin, the victim’s father and brother - who had arrived in Karachi after a tip-off about Fahima’s presence in the city - were behind the incident. He suspected that the culprits might have returned to their hometown after murdering his wife. According to Docks police station’s Deputy Superintendent of Police Javed Iqbal Bhatti, the accused had attacked the woman’s head and stomach with an axe and a dagger.

Islam didn’t order them to do so(If your story be came to pass)

 

[friendship]

The Myth of Islam’s ‘Golden Age’
All Islam did was copy Byzantine art and architecture, and in the process, found Classical works of Western antiquity it then tampered with, but in an insignificant way. Besides, most so-called Muslim intellectuals of the time were not Muslims at all. As for the Quran and Hadith, they’re specifically hostile toward Science and sophisticated culture. Allah, according to Islam, can’t be associated with Science, with the ideal of perfection, with creation itself, because he has to be free to exercise his will, especially when it finds evil expression. In Islam, Allah isn’t perceived as virtuous. He isn’t a god who can’t sin. To the contrary, he’s a god who can do anything he wants, to include the commission of evil acts. He’s a god who authorizes child-rape, mass murder, torture, misogyny, rape in general, and theft. Allah must retain his freedom to be evil. That’s a key Islamic theological idea. This explains why there is no moral equivalent in the Quran to Jesus’ Golden Rule, in the case of non-Muslims.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6210244&postcount=366 !!!

 

[Young_Thinker]

Of course I do not support or condone brutality. However, to mention a thing or two about myself, I am an ethnic Iranian and, though I am an ardent Christian (Catholic in particular, obviously), my family is Shi’a Muslim. I generally hate the effects of what happened in 1979 and would really like to see the Shahs restored. However, except for the ruthlessness and intolerance of other religions, I recognize that there is also some good that comes from Islamic Law. Honestly, I would hate to see Iran become so secular that it is like the West. Let us not forget all of the rebellious youths who are roaming the streets of today’s Tehran (I know that that sounds a bit odd coming from someone who himself is young).