The Truth About Islam

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True. However I also think that if there was no Bible, Mohammad will have to create a more colorful story and won’t take the story of Abraham and his God. Maybe he will get ideas from a pagan religion? I think that was the most rational thing to do right? Since there were no other religion in that area at that time.
There were many religions in that area. Mohammed was a pagan. It was from his pagan religion that he got Allah, the Black rock, the kabaa, etc. It was also where he got Allah’s three daughters he mentions in the Koran.
 
There were many religions in that area. Mohammed was a pagan. It was from his pagan religion that he got Allah, the Black rock, the kabaa, etc. It was also where he got Allah’s three daughters he mentions in the Koran.
So he was a pagan. I haven’t thoroughly read about Mohhamad’s past. What I know was he was a merchant. 😉
 
Ok so what shall we call the muslims that the “moderate” muslims are calling extremists?
I won’t answer for the other guy but I can add that in Islam there is no such term as extremist.

They use names like believer, unbeliever and hypocrites.

Believers = Muslims who follow the 6 pillars of Islam.
Unbelivers = infidels, mushrikin, kafir, polytheists
Hypocrites = Muslims who do not follow the 6 pillars of Islam
Jihadists = believers, all believers are to wage Jihad (by the tongues, wealth, violence)
Mujahadeen = Jihadists fighting for Allah’s Cause, they will call them ‘fighters for freedom’ but it is a twisting of words because they consider war opening up the world to Islam and a good thing.
Shaheed/shahid = martyrs for Allah’s cause. Anyone who dies while killing unbelivers.

These are some terms that were on top of my head. Tjere is no term such as moderate, peaceful, extremist, or radical in Islam. these were made up words in the West when we didn’t fully understand Islam.
 
So he was a pagan. I haven’t thoroughly read about Mohhamad’s past. What I know was he was a merchant. 😉
Being a merchant is what he did, his belief before inventing Islam was a pagan. He was not known to be a bad guy before Islam. He became a guy who bashed other’s religions when in Mecca. That still didn’t mean that Mohammed was a bad guy. It was only until he went to Medina that he started to turn. He realized that he could get converts, wealth, and spread his religion via terror and killing. The other perk was that he could use his new God to justify his sexual lusts.

It is probably how he learned that raiding the caravans would pay off. He raided more caravans than he waged wars to get his loot and slaves. They were not well armed and they carried not only goods, but women and children that he could take as slaves.
 
Another thing I can’t understand is why does muslims hate the jews considering their roots came from them? (might be off topic though)
 
Do you want to become even more sick of it all? Here is an article that I base one of my presentations on about the Muslim Brotherhood in Europe and also the USA.

Take note of what they do in our colleges. The MSA is nothing but a recruiting arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. The truth about Islam and its history are the last things they teach. MPAC is influencing our media, and there are a whole host of other Muslim organizations working to lull us into complacency and ignorance.
Very scary article. :eek:

My son and I are both college students (sounds weird, I know) and we both have had to endure the “Islam is a peaceful religion” in some of our classes.

The office where I work employs a couple of college students at any given time. I am the person who posts the employment ads when one of our students quits and we need to hire a replacement, and I review the resumes they send and set up interviews. Last year, one applicant stated quite plainly on his resume that he was a member of MSA. He did not get an interview.

Yeah, I’m not politically correct. So sue me. :whistle:
 
Yes, America, for instance, was built upon different factors and has had more or less unique attributes.Upon the other hand, is really any difference between a “Palestinian” and 'Jordanian"(at least ethnically)? Personally, I have an opinion upon the Arabs in Israel akin to Golda Meir’s.
By the locution “who call themselves” are you suggesting that other national identities have some reality beyond what people call themselves? What is the United States if not a collection of people who call themselves Americans?

Edwin
 
We find hate texts in mosques here in the USA and Europe. Undercover Mosque, Part1 and Part2

3 in 4 mosques teaching hatred in the USA.

You can behave as if they are not true, that is fine. I expect no less. It shows me the ‘love’ of Islam. Maybe you are talking about that perverted love of labeling babies as brides so old men can marry them? Should we go into that? Or how about ‘man love Thursdays’ that is a common thing in Afghanistan? Or what the Muslims do to the children they capture as slaves? Should we really take that step into what Islam considers love?

The thing about all of this is that none of the ones who tell us they are moderate are doing anything to change this in Islam. They tell us they don’t want it (sometimes), but they don’t do anything else about it.
I don’t need all people accept that Islam is a good relegion and I am here for friendship. You can continue showing hoaxes of anti-islam organizations.
 
I admit that I’m no expert at bible and scriptures. But that is what I’m asking you… If the bible doesn’t exist, no history of the jews, abaraham, moses, killings etc… then what will Islam be? Would there be an Islam religion?
If Bible didn’t exist so that meaned that God doesn’t want to guide people and it is impossible. So your Basicaly is wrong.

Quran is a message from God. Many things in Quran exist whitch you can’t fing in your changed Bible. It is a lie you saying that Prophet Muhammad used it’s history. Histoied of Quran learnt to prophet Muhammad and he never read Bible prophethood, As history books show us.
 
I don’t need all people accept that Islam is a good relegion and I am here for friendship. You can continue showing hoaxes of anti-islam organizations.
Don’t forget to mention the Islamic hoaxes itself, Islam never teach their ummat to become a hypocrite right?
 
I won’t answer for the other guy but I can add that in Islam there is no such term as extremist.

They use names like believer, unbeliever and hypocrites.

Believers = Muslims who follow the 6 pillars of Islam.
Unbelivers = infidels, mushrikin, kafir, polytheists
Hypocrites = Muslims who do not follow the 6 pillars of Islam
Jihadists = believers, all believers are to wage Jihad (by the tongues, wealth, violence)
Mujahadeen = Jihadists fighting for Allah’s Cause, they will call them ‘fighters for freedom’ but it is a twisting of words because they consider war opening up the world to Islam and a good thing.
Shaheed/shahid = martyrs for Allah’s cause. Anyone who dies while killing unbelivers.

These are some terms that were on top of my head. Tjere is no term such as moderate, peaceful, extremist, or radical in Islam. these were made up words in the West when we didn’t fully understand Islam.
I have no believe to this Islam you say. You fear reality, so you change realties of Islam and after that you show that to others and say: ooooooh what a dangerous relegion!!!

In persian we have preverb whitch say: You say, and you laugh, What a artist are you?!
 
There were many religions in that area. Mohammed was a pagan. It was from his pagan religion that he got Allah, the Black rock, the kabaa, etc. It was also where he got Allah’s three daughters he mentions in the Koran.
I answered you lies about three girls of allah(!!!) and you had nothing to saying. repeating your lies doesn’t changes your condition.
 
heh! If there was no christianity and Bible, there are no killing children and women in juraslim in 1099 and in sabra and shatila!
Get the hell out of here with that stupidity. Sabra and Shatila is not written about glowingly in the Bible as your prophet’s massacres and planned massacres are written about in the Qur’an and Hadith. There is no comparison.

When your Islamic propagandists tell you about Sabra and Shatila, do they also tell you of the events leading up to it? The forced taxation and robbing of villages in Tel al-Zaatar for years before that, so that the Palestinians could maintain their armed militia and keep everybody in the area in fear? This is why many Lebanese, especially in the area, wanted the camps to be closed for years before any massacre happened.

And the same that the Ouwet did, the PLO also did. Damour is historical fact, too, but it doesn’t make Islamists look good, so you don’t mention it. By the way, I certainly don’t blame Damour on Islam, but on the PLO. In a war, both sides have blood on their hands. I’ve spoken to Christians from Lebanon whose family members were murdered and houses destroyed by Muslim militias in the war. I know Muslims also have the same stories. Everybody is affected, so quit trying to demonize us to gain sympathy when your people are also guilty. I would also add that Hizbollah is also a giant factory of terrorism, and refuses to disarm and stop operating its “State-within-a-state”, even years after the Lebanese Forces have been disarmed. So, no, there is no moral high ground for you there, either. Islam and Muslims never have the moral high ground on anything.
How can learb you that what followers do is not exactly what the relegion ordered to?
Everybody knows this. It is only you and your religion that cannot accept it, by placing Muhammad, the sex-crazed warlord, in an exalted position above every other person as a perfect man, and saying no prophets could ever sin, and all that other garbage. And then you turn around and say that Islam is not to blame when Muslims take verses about cutting the necks of their enemies seriously? Well, then whose responsibility is it to get them to understand the true meaning of the verses? Certainly not non-Muslims, who are not listened to and not valued by Muslims. It is YOUR responsibility, but you deny it and fail your own community every time you insist instead to blather on and on about the evils of Christianity, even though crimes committed by Christians are not ordered in their texts, while those committed by Muslims by and large are, and it is only a matter of how to plan them that makes you say that 9/11 is somehow a perversion of Islam, but the Islamic massacres of the past were not really an indication of the violence that is in Islam, even though direct instructions of such things are found in the Qur’an, the Hadith, etc.

It is up to you to deal with this contradictions, but instead you run away like a coward. I sleep soundly even in a world where Sabra and Chatila and Damour are facts of history, because I know what is at the core of my religion and what is not. Do you know the same about your own? Are you willing to stand up for it, rather than run away, leaving a trail of ridiculous accusations in your wake?
 
Yes, America, for instance, was built upon different factors and has had more or less unique attributes.Upon the other hand, is really any difference between a “Palestinian” and 'Jordanian"(at least ethnically)? Personally, I have an opinion upon the Arabs in Israel akin to Golda Meir’s.
Palestinian is not an ethnicity, it is a nationality. Palestinians since the coming of Islam have identified as Arabs. Palestinians, for all intents and purposes, are of Arab ethnicity.
 
Yes, America, for instance, was built upon different factors and has had more or less unique attributes.Upon the other hand, is really any difference between a “Palestinian” and 'Jordanian"(at least ethnically)? Personally, I have an opinion upon the Arabs in Israel akin to Golda Meir’s.
Here is an article from a Japanese guy named Yashiko Sagamori
‘A Japanese View of the’ Palestinians’ (Couldn’t have said it better!)
Talk about one picture being worth a THOUSAND words:
Is the world just plain stupid?
An interesting questionnaire for Palestinian Advocates

http://joinedtohashem.org/images/misc/Occupation.jpg
If you are so sure that “Palestine, the country, goes back through most of recorded history,” I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :
  1. When was it founded and by whom?
  2. What were its borders?
  3. What was its capital?
  4. What were its major cities?
  5. What constituted the basis of its economy?
  6. What was its form of government?
  7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
  8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
  9. What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
  10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
  11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
  12. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
You are lamenting the “low sinking” of a “once proud” nation. Please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of?
And here is the least sarcastic question of all:
If the people you mistakenly call “Palestinians” are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over – or thrown out of – the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?

I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here.

The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it: Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it “the Palestinian people” and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the “West Bank” and Gaza , respectively?

The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called “Palestinians” have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a “nation” – or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.

In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel 's ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning?
 
Dzheremi, Your mom didn’t educated you to be debonair? Absolutly not. Welcome to my Ignore list. In fack you must cropper there before jakazaki. You are one of most boisterous christians I ever met. I don’t read and answer your posts, more.
 
I answered you lies about three girls of allah(!!!) and you had nothing to saying. repeating your lies doesn’t changes your condition.
I probably missed your answer which is no loss. It is the usual drivel I read from Muslims to try to ignore Mohammed’s early years. There are worse things in life than being a pagan. The worse things in life are being a member of Islam. Mohammed’s original religion wasn’t a blood thirsty cult calling for death of those around them if they weren’t a pagan. The pagans, Christians and Jews and some other religions lived together in relative peace. I am sure there were squabbles but nothing like the blood lust that Mohammed started.

He also justified stealing and destroying other people’s possessions. He would burn orchards and torture people if they hid their things from him. He would kill all the men and check the boys for pubs and kill them too. Then led he and his men to rape the women and children afterwards.

There are worse things than including the three goddesses in the Koran and that is including the Medina verses in the Koran. Those are what Jihad and deception is based on.

If you are so upset that we know this how come you don’t work to change Sharia laws and the Koran to take them out - in Muslim lands? You get upset that we know this and you guys have to use deception to leave those parts out it just makes sense to me that you guys should be spending your energies in changing your religion instead of lying about it.
 
What a shame…“friendship” would rather ignore me and possibly insult my mother (not sure what that part was supposed to mean) than learn about the massacres and terrorism the Palestinians were responsible for in Lebanon during the war. Covering your ears and eyes does not make reality anything other than what it is. It just makes you deaf and blind.

But a “boisterous Christian”…well that is an HONOR if I’ve ever been bestowed one! I will gladly accept that, as there is nothing else I would rather be. We should ALL be boisterous Christians! ألف شكر, friendship! 👍
 
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