The Truth About Islam

[staffsgt7]

This makes me feel a bit better, you just have to figure out which MD took or follows which ideals!!

The Oath of a Muslim Physician
Written by Islamic Medical Association of North America
Praise be to Allah (God), the Teacher, the Unique, Majesty of the heavens, the Exalted, the Glorious, Glory be to Him, the Eternal Being Who created the Universe and all the creatures within, and the only Being Who contained the infinity and the eternity. We serve no other god besides Thee and regard idolatry as an abominable injustice.
Give us the strength to be truthful, honest, modest, merciful and objective.
Give us the fortitude to admit our mistakes, to amend our ways and to forgive the wrongs of others.
Give us the wisdom to comfort and counsel all towards peace and harmony.
Give us the understanding that ours is a profession sacred that deals with your most precious gifts of life and intellect.
Therefore, make us worthy of this favoured station with honor, dignity and piety so that we may devote our lives in serving mankind, poor or rich, literate or illiterate, Muslim or non-Muslim, black or white with patience and tolerance with virtue and reverence, with knowledge and vigilance, with Thy love in our hearts and compassion for Thy servants, Thy most precious creation.
Hereby we take this oath in Thy name, the Creator of all the Heavens and the earth and follow Thy counsel as Thou has revealed to Prophet Mohammad (pbuh).
“Whoever killeth a human being, not in liew of another human being nor because of mischief on earth, it is as if he hath killed all mankind. And if he saveth a human life, he hath saved the life of all mankind.” (Qur’an V/35)

Does sharia law trump this oath?

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Probably. Think about it - Sharia laws are based on the Koran and Sunnah. They believe those are the undisputed word of their Allah. This is why they do not think that they need to be changed.

It probably depends on the Doctor and how fundamental he/she is, and how fundamental the place where they work is.

The number of Doctors per person is much lower than in the West. If there are a lot of people to see, who do you think would be preferred? In countries where human rights are not an issue, but according to their Allah’s laws where dhimmi are considered dirt and only Muslims are considered human beings or brothers and sisters to them. Some countries do not even allow the women to be seen by Doctors if they are men and where women Doctors are nowhere to be found because the girls cannot go to school.

I go back to the statement, that it probably depends on the person and they place where they work if there is any problem with them caring for non-Muslims. And with the growing fundamentalism and persecution against Jews and Christians in their lands, and ours, I doubt if I would trust that oath.

 

[planten]

Probably. Think about it - Sharia laws are based on the Koran and Sunnah. They believe those are the undisputed word of their Allah. This is why they do not think that they need to be changed.

It probably depends on the Doctor and how fundamental he/she is, and how fundamental the place where they work is.

The number of Doctors per person is much lower than in the West. If there are a lot of people to see, who do you think would be preferred? In countries where human rights are not an issue, but according to their Allah’s laws where dhimmi are considered dirt and only Muslims are considered human beings or brothers and sisters to them. Some countries do not even allow the women to be seen by Doctors if they are men and where women Doctors are nowhere to be found because the girls cannot go to school.

I go back to the statement, that it probably depends on the person and they place where they work if there is any problem with them caring for non-Muslims. And with the growing fundamentalism and persecution against Jews and Christians in their lands, and ours, I doubt if I would trust that oath.

I see that an anti-Muslim Atheist is working for the uplift and benefit of the Jews and the Christians. Do the Jews and the christians need the services of the Atheists??

 

[spn82756]

I see that an anti-Muslim Atheist is working for the uplift and benefit of the Jews and the Christians. Do the Jews and the christians need the services of the Atheists??

The Holy Spirit works in mysterious ways! Oh…do muslims believe in the Holy Spirit?

Once again…how dare you come to a Catholic forum and denigrate Christianity or those…regardless of belief…who defend it against islamists. You exhibit the same rudeness that was exhibited by muslim students when the Israeli ambassador attempted to speak. But what else are we to expect?

 

[staffsgt7]

I see that an anti-Muslim Atheist is working for the uplift and benefit of the Jews and the Christians. Do the Jews and the christians need the services of the Atheists??

I find your post offensive. You are not criticizing the lack of beliefs or beliefs of atheism, but you are attacking me.

I am not anti-Muslim, but I am anti-Islam. I know you don’t understand that but it is the difference between being against an idea verses a person. I am not a Muslim and I am allowed to have a say in what I think of islam per this forum’s rules.

If you persist to bash me then I will report you.

Why don’t you offer something to the conversation about the oath vs sharia law? That would have been a better post than what you did. I have the book of Sharia laws and know what it says. I have all the translations of the Koran and know what they say. I also have all the different books of the hadith and the approved translation of them, along with a book of the Sira. I also keep abreast of the news in the Middle East which I would hazard a guess you do not if you deny that the persecution of Christians is not taking place.

 

[spn82756]

I find your post offensive. You are not criticizing the lack of beliefs or beliefs of atheism, but you are attacking me.

I am not anti-Muslim, but I am anti-Islam. I know you don’t understand that but it is the difference between being against an idea verses a person. I am not a Muslim and I am allowed to have a say in what I think of islam per this forum’s rules.

If you persist to bash me then I will report you.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

Flame thank you for posting from bibleNT. Does bible name Islam as anti-christ?? No.

The bible gives no name to the anti-christ, but does explain how we will know who the anti-christ is: by his teaching. And muhammed gave that very teaching: saying tht Jesus is not the Son of God. This isn’t hard to understand, adn you know I am right about this. This should open your eyes that we were warned of such a kind of person as muhammed.

Also, the words “anti-christ… is already in the world…” should tell you that Muhammad was not already there. But the real anti-christ who was teaching his own philosophy (greek type) against the real teachings of Jesus was very much active as a wolf amongst the poor Christian sheep. He devoured the whole lot of those sheep mercilessly very soon after Jesus left.

yes, the bible says that the spirit of anti-christ was already in the world, that is true. But you must understand that that lying spirit is most likely the same one that influenced muhammed. They are buddies, those two.

I agree with you 100%. Muhammad did not say Jesus is not the Christ. Muhammad believed in Jesus as the Messiah. Flame, you are firing some bent and bruised arrows on Muhammad. Please check your arrows before they boomerang upon you.

you prove my whole point,. The bible says that Muhammed is doing the work of Anti-Christ.

 

[spn82756]

The bible gives no name to the anti-christ, but does explain how we will know who the anti-christ is: by his teaching. And muhammed gave that very teaching: saying tht Jesus is not the Son of God. This isn’t hard to understand, adn you know I am right about this. This should open your eyes that we were warned of such a kind of person as muhammed.

yes, the bible says that the spirit of anti-christ was already in the world, that is true. But you must understand that that lying spirit is most likely the same one that influenced muhammed. They are buddies, those two.

you prove my whole point,. The bible says that Muhammed is doing the work of Anti-Christ.

mohammad may be the center of the anti-christ! He has lead billions astray. He has been quite proficient at doing Satan’s work.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

Hi dear. You are talking me on the base of your bible, and this book is not authentic for us. It is not important what your book says. It is your book and confirm your claims, but it is full of mistakes and problems and can’t be God’s real word. discuss us with some think both we and you believe in that such as historic books or rational logics.

And your Bible took mistake about us. We love Jesus very much and we are not Anti-christ. If some they he comes and confirms us that he is the christ and says “I am God” absolutly we accept christianity.

sure you will accept your own new version of “christianity” just as long as you can reject the christianity that Jesus came to bring. my whole point sir, is that the bible warned us ahead of time of this false teaching that you have accepted. The proof is, that Jesus is risen and he loves us!

if you tell Jesu sthat you are sorry for your sins, he will forgive you, because he was sent to forgive the sins of the whole world. Do you know that Jesus isyour only hope of salvatioin? call out to him friendship!

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

Yeah, but some users fight to us!

We are discussing and do not allocutioning. You are not God to say who is in his/her sins. Our great God is very bountiful. He loves us and we love him. We talk with our dear God every day and every time. May he forgive our and your sins.

I know that you are in your sins! Thsi is because no one has their sins taken away but through the Son of God who died to take away the sins of the world. You are walking in life with all of your sins still unforgiven. Call upon Jesus , He has power to forgive your sins and set you free from them.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

I see that an anti-Muslim Atheist is working for the uplift and benefit of the Jews and the Christians. Do the Jews and the christians need the services of the Atheists??

this is nothing but an insult.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I find it an ironic argument to make, given the number of times I’ve seen Muslims here quote atheist or agnostic scholars such as Bart Ehrmann to prove Islam. On the other hand, no one has cited staffsgt7 to prove their point, he’s simply posting here and debating Muslims of his own free will.

And yes, that is an insult. I believe it’s also a logical fallacy known as an ad hominem.

 

[spn82756]

Do you not detect more than one person using the id “planten” ? Just look at varying degrees of the command of the English language at times. I think it also shows in the attitudes of posts. I have no problem being critical of islam…but this is a Catholic forum.

 

[planten]

I find your post offensive. You are not criticizing the lack of beliefs or beliefs of atheism, but you are attacking me.

I am not anti-Muslim, but I am anti-Islam. I know you don’t understand that but it is the difference between being against an idea verses a person. I am not a Muslim and I am allowed to have a say in what I think of islam per this forum’s rules.

If you persist to bash me then I will report you.

Go ahead. You are a well known anti-Muslim, anti-Islam poster here. You seem to be some catholic disguised as an atheist. I do not question your faithlessness. But then you should not play one way game all the time. You are always blaming Islam only. Is that your life mission, while you have no faith in God. What are you trying to teach here?? The Catholics are religious people. So are Muslims. What are you??

Why don’t you offer something to the conversation about the oath vs sharia law? That would have been a better post than what you did. I have the book of Sharia laws and know what it says. I have all the translations of the Koran and know what they say. I also have all the different books of the hadith and the approved translation of them, along with a book of the Sira. I also keep abreast of the news in the Middle East which I would hazard a guess you do not if you deny that the persecution of Christians is not taking place.

What have you got against the Sharia law?? Why are you so much disturbed about the Sharia law when you have no law, no faith. Being an Atheist, You are doomed in this world and the next too because you have no hope for any good future. You are always attacking Islam by any means. Try to change your modus operandi.

I see that some Catholics are coming forward to help you against me because they seem to be enjoying your faithless diatribes. It was the duty of the Catholics to check you. But they seem to go along with you. There was another one, R_Not here before who was doing exactly what you are doing now.

We Muslims are much tired of your false attacks on Islam or the Islamic law.

 

[spn82756]

Go ahead. Youa re a well known anti-Muslim, anti-Islam poster here. You seem to be some catholic disguised as an atheist. I do not question your faithlessness. But then you should not play one way game all the time. You are always blaming Islam only. Is that your life mission, while you have no faith in God. What are you trying to teach here?? The Catholics are religious people. So are Muslims. What are you??

quote] Why don’t you offer something to the conversation about the oath vs sharia law? That would have been a better post than what you did. I have the book of Sharia laws and know what it says. I have all the translations of the Koran and know what they say. I also have all the different books of the hadith and the approved translation of them, along with a book of the Sira. I also keep abreast of the news in the Middle East which I would hazard a guess you do not if you deny that the persecution of Christians is not taking place

What have you got against the Sharia law?? Why are you so much disturbed about the Sharia law when you have no law, no faith. Being an Atheist, You are doomed in this world and the next too because you have no hope for any good future. You are always attacking Islam by any means. Try to change your modus operandi.

I see that some Catholics are coming forward to help you because they seem to be enjoying your faithless diatribes. It was the duty of the Catholics to check you. But they seem to go along with you. There was another one, R_Not here before who was doing exactly what youa re doing now.

We Muslims are much tired of your false attacks on Islam or the Islamic law.

Planten…no one requires you post or read here. So you muslims that are so tired of attacks on your false religion come here and read of your own accord! I have nothing against sharia law in sharia land. Applied to godless muslims only. Maybe you should have a sex change operation and look at things from a different perspective.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

Go ahead. Youa re a well known anti-Muslim, anti-Islam poster here. You seem to be some catholic disguised as an atheist. I do not question your faithlessness. But then you should not play one way game all the time. You are always blaming Islam only. Is that your life mission, while you have no faith in God. What are you trying to teach here?? The Catholics are religious people. So are Muslims. What are you??

quote] Why don’t you offer something to the conversation about the oath vs sharia law? That would have been a better post than what you did. I have the book of Sharia laws and know what it says. I have all the translations of the Koran and know what they say. I also have all the different books of the hadith and the approved translation of them, along with a book of the Sira. I also keep abreast of the news in the Middle East which I would hazard a guess you do not if you deny that the persecution of Christians is not taking place.
What have you got against the Sharia law?? Why are you so much disturbed about the Sharia law when you have no law, no faith. Being an Atheist, You are doomed in this world and the next too because you have no hope for any good future. You are always attacking Islam by any means. Try to change your modus operandi.

I see that some Catholics are coming forward to help you because they seem to be enjoying your faithless diatribes. It was the duty of the Catholics to check you. But they seem to go along with you. There was another one, R_Not here before who was doing exactly what youa re doing now.

We Muslims are much tired of your false attacks on Islam or the Islamic law.

thisis the spirit that muslim have. I have seen this smae attitude in most muslims when their beliefs are challenged. Thsi is the Spirit that they have received from their religion.

it’s tactic is to pretend to be hurt when conrdered, it pretends to be a good person done wrong, meanwhile it bites ferociously. it lies by pretending being hurt, but makes its true nature known by the vicious words that it speaks. That is not the Spirit of God!

That is a spirit that lives in those who accept islam. It comes with accepting the teaching of hatred that they have accepted.

and the most interesting thing is, this spirit clearly reveals itself in the nature of islam.

God is not pleased with islam. He is pleased with the love of Christ though.

 

[planten]

Do you not detect more than one person using the id “planten” ? Just look at varying degrees of the command of the English language at times. I think it also shows in the attitudes of posts. I have no problem being critical of islam…but this is a Catholic forum.

spn, Is it a Catholic forum or an Atheist forum??. I have no problem with Catholics. But I cannot tolerate undignified attacks on my religion by an Atheist and supported by the Catholics… It means that an Atheist is more acceptable to the Catholic church than a Muslim. Is that the official policy of the Pope?? Please tell what is the official position of the Atheists in the church??

You speak so much of the Holy Father and the son and the Holy Spirit. Let me know if those three are respected by the Atheists??

 

[planten]

Planten…no one requires you post or read here. So you muslims that are so tired of attacks on your false religion come here and read of your own accord! I have nothing against sharia law in sharia land. Applied to godless muslims only. Maybe you should have a sex change operation and look at things from a different perspective.

spn, I see in you a catholic loyal to the holy See who is supporting an Atheist to the highest degree against some fathful (Muslim) people. How Come???

 

[spn82756]

spn, I see in you a catholic loyal to the holy See who is supporting an Atheist to the highest degree against some fathful (Muslim) people. How Come???

Because I choose to. I have yet to see Staffsgt say ONE negative thing about Christianity!!! You on the other hand are a follower of a false prophet. You come here and ridicule Christianity as false.

Now…would you kindly give me a muslim blog site that will accept a Christian who is willing to ridicule the false religion of islam? If you do I will register and take the same attitude that you do. I will call islam the evil religion that it is on that blog.

Do you have the guts to do that?

Why do you come here. Trying to convert Christians is against forum rules. When you call Christianity a lie…you are obviously trying to lead Christians out of the one true faith.

 

[spn82756]

spn, Is it a Catholic forum or an Atheist forum??. I have no problem with Catholics. But I cannot tolerate undignified attacks on my religion by an Atheist and supported by the Catholics… It means that an Atheist is more acceptable to the Catholic church than a Muslim. Is that the official policy of the Pope?? Please tell what is the official position of the Atheists in the church??

You speak so much of the Holy Father and the son and the Holy Spirit. Let me know if those three are respected by the Atheists??

Staffsgt seems to have great respect for Christianity and Judaism even though he is not a believer. Atheist are created by God and loved by God…just like I am.

 

[staffsgt7]

Go ahead. You are a well known anti-Muslim, anti-Islam poster here. You seem to be some catholic disguised as an atheist. I do not question your faithlessness. But then you should not play one way game all the time. You are always blaming Islam only. Is that your life mission, while you have no faith in God. What are you trying to teach here?? The Catholics are religious people. So are Muslims. What are you??

What have you got against the Sharia law?? Why are you so much disturbed about the Sharia law when you have no law, no faith. Being an Atheist, You are doomed in this world and the next too because you have no hope for any good future. You are always attacking Islam by any means. Try to change your modus operandi.

We Muslims are much tired of your false attacks on Islam or the Islamic law.

Blame Islam only? I don’t understand the question as what are you accusing me of blaming? Being critical of it, is that what you mean? If so then tough I am not a Muslim and I will not abide by Islam’s laws. Even though Muslims think I must abide by them and the Sharia laws say that I can be killed for criticizing Islam those laws do not apply to me or any non-Muslim. **They are laws excusing murder. And that is one thing that is wrong with Sharia laws. **
And this is not a conspiracy against you. Who are ‘we Muslims’?

Most of Islam is the political side. There is no Islam without politics it did not advance because of its religious side but because of politics which was warring, deception, etc. Since the Koran diverts from religion when he tells his followers that killing for Allah is good and holy and they all must wage Jihad and even in the book of Sharia laws, pg 599 o.9, I quote:

Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion. And it is the lesser jihad. As for he greater jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self (nafs), which is why the Prophet said as he was returning from jihad,

“We have returned form the lesser jihad to the greater jihad.” (My comment: probably had to enjoy his loot and slaves)

The scriptual basis for jihad, prior to scholarly consensus is such Koranic verses as

(1) Fighting is prescribed for you" 2:216
(2) “Slay them wherever you find them.” 4:89

…and it goes on with another verse from the koran and also from the Hadith. It describes more to the Muslims to look at Mohammed’s wars that he personally attended,

What Ahmadi would follow Sharia laws if they tell us they are peaceful? It would seem more logical to work towards changing Sharia laws. Nothing in Sharia laws tells me that there is any willingness to be tolerant or peaceful towards non-Muslims. It is all about dominating us and subjugating us. I know that being an atheist means I don’t even have the option of being subjugated. I only have the option of death or convert to Islam and that attitude shows in your posts which tells me the lack of peacefulness in your posts towards me.

I have to give a presentation and here is a little synopsis of what I tell others what Sharia laws are about:

1. Believers who leave Islam (apostates) are considered among the worst sinners, and can be given the death penalty.
2. Kafirs do not have legal rights under Sharia law.
3. Husbands may beat their wives legally (this follows the Sunna of Mohammed).
4. Criticism of any aspect of Islam is considered a high crime of treason, even for those who are not believers, and can result in a death sentence.
5. The practice of homosexuality can result in a death sentence.
6. Adultery by a married person can result in death by stoning (many times they are just whipped)
7. Punishment for petty crimes (i.e., theft) can result in mutilation.
8. No religion other than Islam is allowed.
9. No legal system other than Sharia is allowed.
10. Women must be covered.
11. Rape victims must produce 4 male (believer) witnesses or be seen as an adulterer.
12. Non-Muslims cannot testify against a Muslim.
13. Jihad is an obligation for all believers.