The ugly reason ‘The Star-Spangled Banner’ didn’t become our national anthem for a century

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If it accesses anything on the Washington post, there is a subscription required. It is only a dollar to try it out but I don’t want to get involved with trying to remember to cancel it.
There is plenty of information but little about the original participants. It is awful the cover up. They really tried to make it go away.
 
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I would have given the same comments I did 15 years ago, which means there is likely something more about this issue than what is currently taking place.
 
Yes. The English in Guyana and Jamaica were not quite as keen on freeing their own slaves as the English royal governor was on freeing the slaves of others.
 
Slavery was legal and would continue to be legal for about another 20 years in Britain when they did that. They did not care about freeing the slaves, just weakening the United States.
 
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Much of the bad parts of America’s history as to race were not included in history as it is taught and widely known.
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And exactly what benefit is there in opening old wounds? Why not let the past lie and move forward?
 
For the same reason we apparently need TV shows like “Cracka”.
 
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It concerns being aware of America’s history as to race. It concerns activities currently in the news in this country.
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Well, I know about it. All the folks I know, know about it. I live in Texas. So…there you go.
 
That is false.

Chattel slavery as practiced in the US was formally made illegal in Britain itself in 1772 (Somerset v Stewart). Although this was a reaffirmation of what is essentially 12th century law. This obviously did not apply to the wider empire until the Slave Trade Act of 1807, which banned the trade in slaves, and also resulted in the Royal Navy establishing the West African Squadron to try and stamp out the trade. Then finally the Slavery Abolition Act 1833 outlawed slavery through most of the Empire.
 
So slavery was not abolished until 1833 and even then still incompletely as you acknowledged.
 
You specifically said “in Britain” . That claim is false, the Empire was largely administered locally, for example Upper Canada outlawed the slave trade in 1793 (Act Against Slavery), 14 years before the Empire or the US did the same.
 
They still were part of the British dominion, if you want to quibble over meaningless technicalities, go elsewhere.
 
Not meaningless though, as I said, at least one part of the British Empire ended its participation in the slave trade over a decade before London followed suit. One could even make the argument that one of the myriad factors leading to the American War of Independence was outcome of Somerset vs Stewart, leading the southern colonies to lend their support to the rebels in order to protect their economies should slavery be abolished Empire wide. As it eventually was, 30 years before the now independent Americans got round to it.
 
Pretty sure nobody is buying and selling slaves anymore, so what exactly do you want us to learn?
 
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Pretty sure nobody is buying and selling slaves anymore, so what exactly do you want us to learn?
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How about “racism is evil”?

And while we are at it, many would consider those forced to live under a Marxist regime to be slaves to the regime; we can quibble that tyhey were not “bought or sold”, but a fair comeback is that slaves often were better treated than those living under Marxism.

And Marxism is the driving force of much of the discussion going on in liberal to ultra liberal circles.

Nobody is buying or selling slaves; but what does pulling down statues imply other than that we need to re-write history? Is there anything to learn from the history of slavery and the civil war? And while we are at it, is there slavery or near slavery now in other parts of the world? One might say that people of the East who have gone to work in some of the Arabic countries - particularly Filipinos - are in the equivalent of a slave position.
 
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Yep, just about every white person is terrified of being called racist now, can we stop beating them with it?
 
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Yep, just about every white person is terrified of being called racist now, can we stop beating them with it?
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I am far far less concerned about every white person being called a racist than I am about the blatant Marxists who are rioting in our cities.
 
At least you Americans do not have a national anthem which says “may impure blood soak our fields’ furrows”, as we French do.

I’d gladly get rid of the Marseillaise if I could.
 
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