The United Methodist Church has appointed a transgender deacon

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Padres1969 said:
On certain matters I’d agree that there is only one Truth… but not all. This is one I don’t see it as being a singular truth matter.
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So there are many truths? And how do you decide when there is one truth and when there is not one truth?

What would be your basis? And who decides what the truth is?
 
ComplineSanFran said:
It is up to the authority structure of the specific branch of the Church, in this case, the United Methodist Church. If you do not respect their history and authority, then their decisions make no sense. If you DO respect their authority, which comes from Scripture and their Foundational Documents (in part), then you should have no problems with their interpretation/discernment, and decision-making.
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The authority does not come from Scripture…Scripture does not have the authority to grant authority.

Authority came from Christ to/thru the Apostles…and then to the apostolic successors.
 
pablope said:
The authority does not come from Scripture…Scripture does not have the authority to grant authority.

Authority came from Christ to/thru the Apostles…and then to the apostolic successors.
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Yes, we all know that this is how the RCC understands authority. No one is arguing otherwise.
 
This is the devil’s work, plain and simple–an abomination.
 
Memaw said:
NO two ways about it, the TRUTH is the TRUTH!, Can’t be two (or more) truths. No such thing as ‘my’ truth verses ‘your’ truth. God Bess, Memaw
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Memaw, that’s the kind of moral relativism that the devil has fostered in these apostate “churches.”
 
Padres1969 said:
Nope, the Catholic Church is right within the structures and tradition of the Catholic Church. I wouldn’t presume to tell them they’re wrong for them.

But do I think my denomination is right within itself… definitely. Though as GKC would point out, there are Anglicans who would disagree with me.
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There are Anglican churches that still follow Scripture and Jesus Christ, yes. They’re called Continuing Anglican Churches. And the ACNA, if they jettison the unbiblical practice of “ordaining” women.
Any church that “ordains” homosexuals or “transgenders” or performs same sex “marriages” is no longer a church of Jesus Christ.
'Nuff said.
 
Faithdancer said:
There are Anglican churches that still follow Scripture and Jesus Christ, yes. They’re called Continuing Anglican Churches. And the ACNA, if they jettison the unbiblical practice of “ordaining” women.
Any church that “ordains” homosexuals or “transgenders” or performs same sex “marriages” is no longer a church of Jesus Christ.
'Nuff said.
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In your church’s opinion at any rate. Which is why we’ve gone our separate ways.
 
Padres1969 said:
In your church’s opinion at any rate. Which is why we’ve gone our separate ways.
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Christianity is not about “opinions.” Christianity is about truth, and finding salvation in that truth, which is Christ.
 
It was unwise to ordain Barclay as a deacon because she’s clearly confused about her gender identity and sexual orientation. While its true the UMC has no rule barring transgender clergy (there never needed to be one in the past), it does have rules barring practicing homosexuals. Barclay was born a female and has been in lesbian relationships in the past. She continues to identify as queer. That alone should rule her out according to the UMC’s own rules, but there are parts of the UMC that don’t believe the rules apply to them now and they can just do what they want in the name of “social justice.”
 
thephilosopher6 said:
Christianity is not about “opinions.” Christianity is about truth, and finding salvation in that truth, which is Christ.
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Exactly. “Opinions” in this case is another word for moral relativism. And moral relativism is a lie.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Yes, we all know that this is how the RCC understands authority. No one is arguing otherwise.
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And it has basis in history, Traditon…and it can lay a basis for apostolic connection.

And what is your basis for the authority of your denomination to teach as it does in agreeing with women ordination?
 
Padres1969 said:
In your church’s opinion at any rate.

Which is why we’ve gone our separate ways.
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And this is supposed to be a good thing? Something to be happy about? Something to revel in?

Do you think God is happy with this situation?
 
pablope said:
And this is supposed to be a good thing? Something to be happy about? Something to revel in?

Do you think God is happy with this situation?
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To be fair, the Continuing Anglican jurisdictions left the Anglican Communion and TEC, not the other way around. This occurred as these latter became increasingly heterodox: ordaining women, then active homosexuals; performing same sex “marriages;” incorporating paganism and “re-interpreting” Scripture to support these innovations. Sad to say, the UMC “transgender” deacon thing doesn’t surprise me at all.
 
pablope said:
And it has basis in history, Traditon…and it can lay a basis for apostolic connection.

And what is your basis for the authority of your denomination to teach as it does in agreeing with women ordination?
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Anglicanism teaches that we discern by the three-legged stool of Scripture, Tradition, and Reason (Thank you, Richard Hooker). And of course apostolic succession is a part of that.
 
And Richard Hooker would approve of Jefferts-Schori et.al.?
Ne-ver.
 
Absurd.
If Richard Hooker were alive today, he wouldn’t be part of a Church of England that is flirting with the same apostasy, the institutionalized wickedness, now practiced by the Churches of Scotland, Canada, TEC etc.

The orthodox African churches will leave the Anglican Communion. And that will be a blessing.
 
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