The Universal Church

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Wannano said:
I think that this thread has basically run its course. But who knows for sure.
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I’ve thought that about 10 times. I’ve went weeks without posting then come back to this thread and see that it just kept on going.
 
This morning I came across a quote from @Don_Ruggero that startled me somewhat. He is a Catholic priest that contributed a lot here in the past. I felt it has pertinence to this thread. As a preamble I want to say that Catholics have pointed out, with often good reason, the danger of Biblical self interpretation which is something most non-Catholics are concerned about too. Catholics refer to the Catholic Catachiesm.

Quote from Don Ruggero: "There is a need for the lay faithful to turn to theologians when it comes to how to understand and apply the Catachiesm. "
 
AlNg said:
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Wasn’t Christ speaking to Jews?
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Yes. But the question is whether or not Jews today have life in them? Similar question for Buddhists.
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I would say no. Not in the sense that simply being Jewish is sufficient to attain salvation.
 
Crusader13 said:
I would say no. Not in the sense that simply being Jewish is sufficient to attain salvation.
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So Jews do not have life in them today?
Isn’t this one of those verses that should not be taken literally, otherwise it means that Protestants do not have life in them even if they take Jesus to be their personal Savior and lead a good, decent Christian life with faith and belief in Christ.
 
AlNg said:
So Jews do not have life in them today?
Isn’t this one of those verses that should not be taken literally, otherwise it means that Protestants do not have life in them even if they take Jesus to be their personal Savior and lead a good, decent Christian life with faith and belief in Christ.
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It is about the Eucharist
 
AlNg said:
So Jews do not have life in them today?
Isn’t this one of those verses that should not be taken literally, otherwise it means that Protestants do not have life in them even if they take Jesus to be their personal Savior and lead a good, decent Christian life with faith and belief in Christ.
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If Catholic’s believe Jesus was speaking literally about His flesh and blood being real food and drink; then we also believe when He says “…unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you…” You can’t separate His words and apply a literal interpretation to one and a symbolic meaning to the other.

If we are to agree that Jesus is speaking of the Eucharist, then most Protestants would say they do take part in communion at their Church, but they don’t view the host and wine the way Catholics do.
 
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AlNg said:
The Jews were never destroyed. Millions of Jews exist today and they even have their own country of Israel.
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Well rabbinical Judaism is what replaced temple Judaism. The temple was destroyed, which made it impossible to offer sacrifices. The Sanhedrin, the ruling class was also wiped out. These events happened for a reason and it was to show that the old law was no longer in effect and it simply couldn’t save people from their sins.

From my understanding, and I’m sure this is debatable, but the Judaism that arose in its place, isn’t necessarily a continuation of the Judaism which existed during that time frame.

The Jews that placed their belief in Jesus were spared and along with the Gentiles, went on to become part of the Church. Their connection to ancient Judaism had been severed with the destruction of the Temple. Those Jews that denied Christ, perished when the temple was destroyed in 70ad.

So the question still remains; how is the Judaism of today sufficient for salvation when they still deny Jesus Christ? It’s not.
 
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These events happened for a reason and it was to show that the old law was no longer in effect and it simply couldn’t save people from their sins.
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The reason you give is not accepted by many people today. Where is this proven by a nonChristian source that this was the reason?
 
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AlNg said:
The reason you give is not accepted by many people today. Where is this proven by a nonChristian source that this was the reason?
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Well much of what took place during that time period was written about by Josephus, in his chronicling of the Jewish Wars. He was a Jewish-Roman historian in the first century.

So from a non-biblical perspective, his writings are usually cited most often.
 
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