Hi Pat. Hope you are well, my friend.***Dear friends in Christ,
How about a fran BUT chairitable discussion on the “W’s”
Where is the Cc Wrong?
Why is the CC Wrong
What is you evidence of this position?***
I know you, and my very good Catholics friends here, such as Nicea325, will disagree.
As ALWAYS Jon, I enjoy dialoging with you.
Even if you are wrong
What about when I’m right?
STILL LOVE YA BROTHER!
No, it doesn’t, but the rest of Scripture does. We can’t separate the parts from the whole. No exception is made for anyone else in all of Scripture.
If I were to reject Catholicism for its Marian doctrines, then frankly, there would be absolutely no point in even bothering with Christianity at all. Marian doctrines such as the ones “the Spirit” is “warning you away from” have been around since the dawning of Christianity. Even Martin Luther prayed to Mary. In fact, the very fact that the Catholic Church even has Marian doctrines appealed to me in my conversion. Mary was co-mediator and co-redemptress because she humbly co-operated in God’s redemptive plan to literally do what we all must do: Willingly concieve of Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit. She is the Ark of the New Covenant. Just as the old Ark of the Covenant carried the staff of Aaron and the mana from the desert, Mary carried in her Jesus, the high priest through the rite of Aaron, and the “living bread” that came down from the heavens. It meantions the “Ark of His (God’s) Convenant” just prior to Revelations 12:2, which says, “I saw a woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars,” sounds like the Queen of Heaven to me…
Why bother with Christianity? Simple: It’s CHRISTianity, not MARYanity. I’ve always said she’s blessed. And Rev. 12:2 is the Church, not Mary. Read the whole chapter in context.If I were to reject Catholicism for its Marian doctrines, then frankly, there would be absolutely no point in even bothering with Christianity at all. Marian doctrines such as the ones “the Spirit” is “warning you away from” have been around since the dawning of Christianity. Even Martin Luther prayed to Mary. In fact, the very fact that the Catholic Church even has Marian doctrines appealed to me in my conversion. Mary was co-mediator and co-redemptress because she humbly co-operated in God’s redemptive plan to literally do what we all must do: Willingly concieve of Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit. She is the Ark of the New Covenant. Just as the old Ark of the Covenant carried the staff of Aaron and the mana from the desert, Mary carried in her Jesus, the high priest through the rite of Aaron, and the “living bread” that came down from the heavens. It meantions the “Ark of His (God’s) Convenant” just prior to Revelations 12:2, which says, “I saw a woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars,” sounds like the Queen of Heaven to me…
Not only that, in the gospel of Luke Mary says, “Behold, all generations shall call me blessed.” I don’t know many other churches other than this One who still do that.
ITs pretty clear its Mary considering she gives birth to Jesus:
Marianity… I’ll have to remember that one.
Easy. She’s not our mother. She’s Jesus’ earthly mother. And to reply to MrZetterlund, Revelation speaks mostly of future events. To say that the woman is Mary and not the church is a big stretch.Marianity… I’ll have to remember that one.
Mariology is Christocentric. Everything about her points to Christ.
Why don’t fundamentalists honor their mother?
Actually, “Revelation” is another word for “Apocolypse.” An Apocolypse is a genre of literature that purports to be about the future but is actually about the present. They’re usually written as a sort of allegory to ensure that their writers will not be persecuted. Jesus gives the Church His mother in the gospel of John when He says, “Son, behold your mother. Mother, behold your son.” At that moment, the disciple whom He loved (or John) took Mary into his own home." When we are Baptised into Christ, we become His brothers and sisters in the New Covenant, a family more valid than flesh and blood could ever provide…
That teaching is obviously tradition, it is not, as I get reminded from Catholics,(When I bring up certian teachings) and not in the Bible. I wouldn’t go so far as to say Catholics worship Mary, I just feel IMHO that the focus needs to shift from the mother to the Son, who grants eternal life to those who believe on His name.