The Wedding of Jesus

[simplynoone]

Okay, so here is where I am at this point. I went and looked up the word chest in the Scriptures to only realize that was a mistake. I assumed chest based on someone else’s posting of a different version of the passage than I use. In my version, it is “breast.” So, since Lazarus is the one positioned on the couch with Jesus at this meal, at this point, logically, I would say the beloved disciple is Lazarus, thus making him the author of this book. The reason being that he was the beloved is because Jesus must have been married to either Mary or Martha and I am going to assume it was Mary since it was Mary who did in fact anoint him exactly as the author of this thread said (in other words, in an intimate way) and it was she who was at the tomb taking care of the body of her beloved. So, here it stands what I see after searching.

 

[PaulDupre]

Again, the most this tells me is that it was one of the three that Jesus loved who wrote this book and not john as most are assuming. Interesting. I had a sense that it was not John who wrote this book. So, most likely it was Lazarus who wrote this book. Just even the fact that the Mary, Martha, and Lazarus are the ones repeatedly mentioned as being the ones that Jesus loved in this book confirms it is one of the three and that most likely, because they are featured in this book as being the ones in whom Jesus loved just further confirms that Jesus was most likely married to Mary Magdalene since it was she who was at the tomb THAT particular morning. Would logically be the wifely duty to attend to her husband.

Thanks! You all grounding me even more in this belief that the two were married.

Well it just goes to show, you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Okay, so here is where I am at this point. I went and looked up the word chest in the Scriptures to only realize that was a mistake. I assumed chest based on someone else’s posting of a different version of the passage than I use. In my version, it is “breast.” So, since Lazarus is the one positioned on the couch with Jesus at this meal, at this point, logically, I would say the beloved disciple is Lazarus, thus making him the author of this book. The reason being that he was the beloved is because Jesus must have been married to either Mary or Martha and I am going to assume it was Mary since it was Mary who was at the tomb taking care of the body of her beloved. So, here it stands what I see after searching.

Good grief…:doh2:

 

[PaulDupre]

Okay, so here is where I am at this point. I went and looked up the word chest in the Scriptures to only realize that was a mistake. I assumed chest based on someone else’s posting of a different version of the passage than I use. In my version, it is “breast.” So, since Lazarus is the one positioned on the couch with Jesus at this meal, at this point, logically, I would say the beloved disciple is Lazarus, thus making him the author of this book.

Please show us where the bible indicates that Lazarus was present at the last supper.

 

[simplynoone]

Let Jesus marry and enjoy his life as you all do yourself; let Paul - not so endowed perhaps with the power of sex, wander on the path ( I think there were no roads in those days) to Damascus without a woman companion.

I love Jesus and would defend him against strange motives of Paul.

Regards

So well put! My sentiments exactly paarsurrey.

 

[NDfan]

Okay, so here is where I am at this point. I went and looked up the word chest in the Scriptures to only realize that was a mistake. I assumed chest based on someone else’s posting of a different version of the passage than I use. In my version, it is “breast.” So, since Lazarus is the one positioned on the couch with Jesus at this meal, at this point, logically, I would say the beloved disciple is Lazarus, thus making him the author of this book. The reason being that he was the beloved is because Jesus must have been married to either Mary or Martha and I am going to assume it was Mary since it was Mary who did in fact anoint him exactly as the author of this thread said (in other words, in an intimate way) and it was she who was at the tomb taking care of the body of her beloved. So, here it stands what I see after searching.

Simply no disrespect brother but this is simply incredible. I can’t even follow the logic here. Again no disrespect but wow. It appears you are willing to finally admit Mary M was not the disciple Jesus loved. Given that was the basis for your argument to begin with it seems to have fallen inwards.

 

[simplynoone]

Please show us where the bible indicates that Lazarus was present at the last supper.

Have you read through my previous posts? I will however oblige.

It actually says table… you will have to forgive my obsession with the “couch”… I have no explanation for it. lol

It is in John 12 and you will see that it again marks Lazarus in this chapter as being the one Jesus loved and even more interesting, the chief priests wanted to kill Lazarus as well; not JUST Jesus. Even more for my case that the beloved disciple at this meal was Lazarus. You can see the sequence of events are the same as those in the next chapter over. So Mary, his wife , was in fact at the meal.

 

[simplynoone]

Simply no disrespect brother but this is simply incredible. I can’t even follow the logic here. Again no disrespect but wow. It appears you are willing to finally admit Mary M was not the disciple Jesus loved. Given that was the basis for your argument to begin with it seems to have fallen inwards.

Right, I understand. Most are used to just being told what to think. Here ya go. The beloved disciple was Lazarus, one of the three that Jesus loved enough to mark them repeatedly and specifically apart from the others who followed Jesus in that he loved them. Lazarus was then the one who wrote this testament as well. Mary Magdalene was the reason for this great love of the three because she was his wife as is evidenced by her being the one to anoint him in such an intimate manner that it would make the others in the room blush and by the fact that she was taking care of his body whilst it was in the tomb.

I would like to now propose to the OP that it was Lazarus who Jesus asked to take care of his mother since he knew that his wife would be tending to his body and it would not be inappropriate given that Lazarus was family because of Mary and Jesus being married.

 

[simplynoone]

Good grief…:doh2:

I know… using one’s brain is so difficult these days, isn’t it?

 

[simplynoone]

It appears you are willing to finally admit Mary M was not the disciple Jesus loved. Given that was the basis for your argument to begin with it seems to have fallen inwards.

I am after the Truth. I do not care about you, the OP, me or any of our theories being right for its sake alone. I use my own head to think. It has worked out well for me so far. I am sure the OP will not mind my proposal since at least, more than the rest of yours, it was arrived to logically. I am not dismissing his original premise that Jesus and Mary were married; in fact, before I just speculated. Now I have more reason to believe that this was in fact truth. I believe that the Truth is in the Word of G.d and all it takes is one willing to search it out in all honesty with the understanding of God and not the understanding of man. I am such a one.

 

[simplynoone]

Making a correction to above post:

Have you read through my previous posts? I will however oblige.

It actually says table… you will have to forgive my obsession with the “couch”… I have no explanation for it. lol

It is in John 12 and you will see that it again marks Lazarus in this chapter as being the one Jesus loved and even more interesting, the chief priests wanted to kill Lazarus as well; not JUST Jesus. Even more for my case that the beloved disciple at this meal was Lazarus. You can see the sequence of events are the same as those in the next chapter over. So Mary, his wife , was in fact at the meal;

adding on: as well as Lazarus and even Martha.

just pardon all my mistakes… I am sure that my confessing them absolves me of any criticism that might come my way.

 

[NDfan]

I am after the Truth. I do not care about you, the OP, me or any of our theories being right for its sake alone. I use my own head to think. It has worked out well for me so far. I am sure the OP will not mind my proposal since at least, more than the rest of yours, it was arrived to logically. I am not dismissing his original premise that Jesus and Mary were married; in fact, before I just speculated. Now I have more reason to believe that this was in fact truth. I believe that the Truth is in the Word of G.d and all it takes is one willing to search it out in all honesty with the understanding of God and not the understanding of man. I am such a one.

Well the problem with the logic of Lazarus being the disciple Jesus loved is due to the fact that you can’t really show the events of John’s gospel are out of order as you claim. The dinner Jesus has with Lazarus is clearly between the Triumphal Entry which John shows in chapter 12 as being the day after the dinner with Lazarus and just before the feast with the Apostles in chapter 13 verse 1.

Are you really proposing that this Gospel is so out of order that from one verse to the next we really cannot assume there is no order?? Why would anyone write like that even if it was Lazarus? That’s like me saying I had dinner with some friends, then the next day I went to the beach, and then I ate dinner with my friends implying that the dinner I had with my friends after I went to the beach is really the same dinner I had before I went to the beach. Do you see what I mean here??

 

[simplynoone]

Well the problem with the logic of Lazarus being the disciple Jesus loved is due to the fact that you can’t really show the events of John’s gospel are out of order as you claim.

I am only claiming it because it seems to be fact. I arrived at this conclusion by comparing sequence of events in 12 and 13 with the sequence of events in the accounts of the same meal laid out in the other books.

 

[simplynoone]

John 11: 3 (speaking of Lazarus): Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. ← Look it blatantly says too. lol

Just to clarify my above post, Mark 14 would be one of the other accounts of the same meal. You can see that Judas left after Mary anointed Jesus. John 12 says Mary anointed him and John 13 says that Judas left to make the exchange of Jesus for the silver. Mark 14 we see two events that happen at the same meal and in John 12 and 13 both of those events took place; thus leading me to conclude that the meal in 12 and 13 are one in the same.

Who knows… I could be wrong. I will admit to such if you can show me. But still, John 11:3 does mark the beloved disciple as Lazarus quite clearly it seems.

 

[LilyM]

John 11: 3 (speaking of Lazarus): Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. ← Look it blatantly says too. lol

Just to clarify my above post, Mark 14 would be one of the other accounts of the same meal. You can see that Judas left after Mary anointed Jesus. John 12 says Mary anointed him and John 13 says that Judas left to make the exchange of Jesus for the silver. Mark 14 we see two events that happen at the same meal and in John 12 and 13 both of those events took place; thus leading me to conclude that the meal in 12 and 13 are one in the same.

Who knows… I could be wrong. I will admit to such if you can show me. But still, John 11:3 does mark the beloved disciple as Lazarus quite clearly it seems.

Could equally apply to the rich young man. Mark 10:17 - ‘Jesus, looking steadily at him, loved him’. True, he went away at that time but may have come back later.

Luke (22:14) makes abundantly clear that ONLY the Apostles were at the Last Supper. They are all named, and include neither Lazarus nor any women.

 

[simplynoone]

Could equally apply to the rich young man. Mark 10:17 - ‘Jesus, looking steadily at him, loved him’. True, he went away at that time but may have come back later.

Luke (22:14) makes abundantly clear that ONLY the Apostles were at the Last Supper. They are all named, and include neither Lazarus nor any women.

And clearly John 13 is not that Supper since that took place on Passover. John 13: 1 and 2 states this particular meal was not the meal of the Passover. Go read it and tell me I am wrong and then show me how I am wrong. If you can, I will be happy to admit my mistake.

 

[LilyM]

And clearly John 13 is not that Supper since that took place on Passover. John 13: 1 and 2 states this particular meal was not the meal of the Passover. Go read it and tell me I am wrong and then show me how I am wrong. If you can, I will be happy to admit my mistake.

The meal of chapter 13 IS the same meal as Luke 22 - at both, for example, Peter’s denial is predicted with the same phrase - ‘before the cock crows (twice) you will have denied me three times’.

 

[simplynoone]

The meal of chapter 13 IS the same meal as Luke 22 - at both, for example, Judas’ betrayal and Peter’s denial are predicted.

Mark 14: 10-11 will show you that Judas left at the meal spoken of in John 13 to MAKE THE DEAL, but not to actually betray as it states clearly in 11 that he then sought for the opportunity… enter, passover feast in the next verse. Showing so far that my conclusion has not yet been proved to be wrong.

 

[LilyM]

Mark 14: 10-11 will show you that Judas left at the meal spoken of in John 13 to MAKE THE DEAL, but not to actually betray as it states clearly in 11 that he then sought for the opportunity… enter, passover feast in the next verse. Showing so far that my conclusion has not yet been proved to be wrong.

And my post showed you that Peter’s betrayal was ALSO predicted in Luke and John - and in the same words - ‘before the cock crows (twice) you will have denied me three times’.

They’re the same meal, unless you’re suggesting that Jesus was forgetful and boringly repetitive enough to say the same thing to Peter at two meals in teh space of a few days.

 

[simplynoone]

unless you’re suggesting that Jesus was forgetful and boringly repetitive enough to say the same thing to Peter at two meals in teh space of a few days.

That would be your implication concerning Jesus being forgetful and boringly repetitive, not mine. However, this does not prove me wrong yet. John 13: 1, 2 are clear. What took place in this chapter is not the “Last Supper” since that was the “feast of Passover” and in John 13, it says BEFORE.

I know a lot of people who are forgetful and/or repetitive. Just because they say something on one day and then something on the next does not mean those 2 days equal the same day simply because the same thing was said.

This could be why the command was given for us to search the Scriptures and not just read them and/or memorize and/or let others do the searching for us. Jesus said SEARCH the scriptures, not just read and accept at face value. We must be searching for something that is not easily found on the surface. How about the truth?