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swariffin
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Any Jewish record saying Mary M was Jesus’ wife?We are not talking about Mary, the mother of Jesus but about Mary Magdalene, his wife. I don’t see where and why you had to make the change.
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Ben_Masada
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Perhaps he was either very cheap, or running out of money or just upset with those freeloaders taking advantage of free wine to get drunk at Jesus’ expenses. But congratulations! I can see you are thinking. Keep the good work and you still might
be set free. Didn’t Jesus say later that if you know the truth, the truth will set you free? There you go!
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planten
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Whom did Jesus say “woman”? Did he say it to his mother Mary? Please make it clear because it is a derogatory remark to address the mother as “woman.” Jesus said a similar thing when he was on the cross too. He addressed his mother as “woman.”
Jesus could have addressed Mary magd as “woman” but not his own mother, according to my opinion.
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OneTrueCathApos
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Jesus told his mother who then told him there was no more wine, he said "What does this have to do with thee? Not me. Christ was concerned why his mother was so worried.
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OneTrueCathApos
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For your information and not that it makes it right, but the Catholic church still has the LOWEST molestation rate than any other church. REFORMATION.COM will explain to you what your church and others are doing. Don’t think that this is a “Catholic” thing my friend, it is going on right in your own church.Well… at least you are honest.
Priests take a vow of celibacy, they are not forced to do this but they do it for their love of Christ. It isn’t easy becoming a priest, many years of the seminary and many hours prostrating yourself before the Blessed Sacrament just lying on the floor for hours.
Priests are the umbilical cord to God.
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Ginger2
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John chapter 2"
3 When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”
4 (And) Jesus said to her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come.”
I assumed anyone who was discussing John chapter 2 would first read it. May I politely suggest you do so now before making further comment.
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jblake
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swariffin;:
jonathon
Mikvah. A ritual used for purification.
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Ben_Masada
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The percentage of Jews like me with the mission to reclaim Jesus as one of our own is less than .1 percent. Jews in general don’t give a damn about who was Jesus or Mary Magdalene. They even prefer that he didn’t exist. I don’t blame them but Christians themselves for the cruelties done against them in the name of Jesus when this never had anything to do with Christians. I don’t even try to look for such records, because I’ll be rediculed by my own People. I prefer to explore the NT for all the evidences I need to coroborate the fact that Mary Magdalene was indeed Jesus’ wife.
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planten;:
The historical evidence demonstrates that one could be a Rabbi without being married.
Furthermore if current traditions are to be relied on, then both Rabbinical Judaism and Karaite Judaism allow one to be Rabbi without being married, under specific situations.
jonathon
Your entire thesis falls apart here, because that is a false assumption.
The historical evidence demonstrates that one could be a Rabbi without being married.
Furthermore if current traditions are to be relied on, then both Rabbinical Judaism and Karaite Judaism allow one to be Rabbi without being married, under specific situations.
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planten
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Yes, thanks. But please explain the verse 4 because I cannot understand it fully. What did Jesus mean to say about the “concern” and “my hour…”?John chapter 2"
3 When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”
4 (And) Jesus said to her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come.”
I assumed anyone who was discussing John chapter 2 would first read it. May I politely suggest you do so now before making further comment.
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Ben Masada;:
b) Karaite Judaism rejects both lists, on the grounds that the lists require one to reject the Torah;
c) If you bothered studying the New Testament, you 'd know that there were 418 explicit commandments in it. Those are commandments that Catholics have to adhere to.
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a) Both of those lists of laws are things created by Rabbinical Judaism;
b) Karaite Judaism rejects both lists, on the grounds that the lists require one to reject the Torah;
c) If you bothered studying the New Testament, you 'd know that there were 418 explicit commandments in it. Those are commandments that Catholics have to adhere to.
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Ben Masada;:
b) John A.T. Robinson’s Redating the New Testament. more or less shocked both Protestant and Catholic scholars into re-examining the premises that they used to date the new Testament texts. Whilst it wasn’t enough to convince them to completely change their minds, it did institute a new degree of critical analysis of the fundamentals of dating the New Testament. (Unsurprisngly, the split comes down to the theological differences between preterists, and non-preterists.)
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a) The problem with that theory, is that the evidence suggests that Thomas had the Gospel of Matthew with him, when he went to India. That event can be dated to 52 AD.
b) John A.T. Robinson’s Redating the New Testament. more or less shocked both Protestant and Catholic scholars into re-examining the premises that they used to date the new Testament texts. Whilst it wasn’t enough to convince them to completely change their minds, it did institute a new degree of critical analysis of the fundamentals of dating the New Testament. (Unsurprisngly, the split comes down to the theological differences between preterists, and non-preterists.)
Where is the evidence to support your hypothesis that he was a Nazarene?
Only for those who point blank refuse to construct timelines based upon the datable events that are described in the Bible.
Paul was very effective at popularising a religion. He didn’t found it. Furthermore, he popularised it, after he decided to be an adherent.
You’ve obviously never constructed a time line of both Paul and Jesus, and rectified them against events that can be dated by other sources.
I guess Paul found the fountain of youth, considering he was in his late thirties or early forties, when Jesus was crucified.
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swariffin;:
Bart Ehrman discusses it in his series of books on early Christianity.
jonathon
The Gospel of Thomas.
Bart Ehrman discusses it in his series of books on early Christianity.
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msugeotech
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You should take your own advice then.Sometimes it helps to think.
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To counter those that claim it could not have been her, because of the usage of the masculine form, that is explained as being the result of a redaction to lend credence to attributing it to John.
jonathon
Except for the little issue that the third (or fourth?) moist popular theory in academia is that Mary of Magdala was the author of The Gospel of John. Nobody in academia considers that Lazarus wrote it.
To counter those that claim it could not have been her, because of the usage of the masculine form, that is explained as being the result of a redaction to lend credence to attributing it to John.
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In all of the instances where Jesus being married would be a useful aspect of a teaching, there no allusions to that status. However, there are three or four pericopes where Jesus being unmarried is a useful aspect of the teaching, and an allusion to that status is made.
jonathon
It can be inferred from the writings of Paul, John, and the synoptic Gospels.
In all of the instances where Jesus being married would be a useful aspect of a teaching, there no allusions to that status. However, there are three or four pericopes where Jesus being unmarried is a useful aspect of the teaching, and an allusion to that status is made.
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Valke2
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Rabbinical Judaism = Judaism. And the list is compiled from the Torah.
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Ben Masada;:
jonathon
Your experience is roughly two millennia later, at a place roughly 500 klicks distant. Furthermore, it is of a theology and doctrine that is arguably different from that of Judaism at that point in time.
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Ginger2
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planten,
Can you please reference the Scriptures that say a teacher of the law must be married? I know priests were required to be married, Lev 21:13
But where does it command teachers to take a wife?
Ginger
Can you please reference the Scriptures that say a teacher of the law must be married? I know priests were required to be married, Lev 21:13
But where does it command teachers to take a wife?
Are you serious? What is it you want to know?
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simplynoone
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Popular theory also says that:
- …the man Jesus was actually born of a virgin when the Laws of Nature and Malachi 3:6 coupled together both confirm that this was not a concept God would support.
- …Jesus was God when the Word of God says that in fact, there is but one God and He alone is the Savior, there is none other beside Him. Not to mention, He says He is not a man.
- …the Laws of God needed to be reworked via the method of a human sacrifice when clearly God showed that he would not ever work that way through the example of Abraham and his son; and that it was obedience that He would require; not human sacrifice. Further evidence that popular theory in this case is not the Truth is that God declared His Law perfect for converting the soul and that His Law was eternal. You are aware of what ‘perfect’ and ‘eternal’ mean, correct? And He sealed the Truth again with His declaration in Malachi 3:6.
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