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CatholicSam
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Faithism? It’s not even listed as a word at dictionary.com. I know what you meant, but let’s not invent words unless they’re intended for entertainment purposes
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Franciscan
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Sorry Old age Guru sorry Sing.
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OldAgeGuru
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well I was trying for entertainment there… I’m a pretty eloquent person, but a lot is missed without seeing my facial expressions and hand gestures. My Italian aunt swears that somewhere way back when in my ancestory someone must have been Italian the was I’m always talking with my hands. I think it’s mostly that I had a very good friend who was hearing impaired and she taught me ASL so I do a lot of signing when I’m talking, I think people think I have some sort of flailing disorder when I talkFaithism? It’s not even listed as a word at dictionary.com. I know what you meant, but let’s not invent words unless they’re intended for entertainment purposes
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CatholicSam
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I think people think I have some sort of flailing disorder when I talk
I remember hearing a story about a lady who had similar tendencies. It wasn’t a problem until she became a nun and had to keep her hands folded in her habit 
It may even have been a saint, I can’t remember now.
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OldAgeGuru
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Thats why I could never be a nun that and the sensible shoes, I could never live with sensible shoes or the vow of poverty… I’d have to be Sister Mary Coachbag or something
that and the sensible shoes, I could never live with sensible shoes or the vow of poverty… I’d have to be Sister Mary Coachbag or something
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SeekerJen
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I guess I’m joining you at your table. I live in an area with the highest concentration of Arab-Muslims outside of the Middle East. My high school was 1/3 Muslim. The school district shuts down for both Christian and Muslim holidays. There are two large mosques and several Islamic centers in my hometown, and various other mosques and centers scattered throughout the area. Like you and Sing, I don’t even think twice about it. Quite frankly, the people who have recently gone around burning crosses on the front lawns of local interracial couples and Muslim families, or somewhat quieter people like our neighbor’s father, who won’t allow dark-skinned people on his property and doesn’t hesitate to use racial slurs, scare me more as do the people who deny service to my parents in stores and restaurants because they are a biracial couple.
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Kendy
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There are two mosques within 20 minutes of my house, and I think you’s a little nutty.
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slyboots
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We have a mosque here too. The people are quiet neighborly souls. I used to feel that since this is a free country there was no problem. But life in the US is changing.
At present they are not surrounded by radical fundamentalist Islamics who in Islamic countries demand loyalty to radical Islam against those who do not accept Allah as they see him.And the day may well be coming when that is the case.
Muslims may fight amongst themselves. But a non-Muslim is not to be defended against another Muslim. Christians can convert, die or become second class citizens under Islamic rule.
We must be prepared to defend our faith, ourselves, our families and most of all our children. And we must help make them strong in our Catholic faith.
I do NOT hate the Muslims. But I believe many hate us.
frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21364
worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33898
At present they are not surrounded by radical fundamentalist Islamics who in Islamic countries demand loyalty to radical Islam against those who do not accept Allah as they see him.And the day may well be coming when that is the case.
Muslims may fight amongst themselves. But a non-Muslim is not to be defended against another Muslim. Christians can convert, die or become second class citizens under Islamic rule.
We must be prepared to defend our faith, ourselves, our families and most of all our children. And we must help make them strong in our Catholic faith.
I do NOT hate the Muslims. But I believe many hate us.
frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21364
worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33898
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Kendy
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Frontpage mag and World Net Daily. Now, there are too models of moderation and fairness.
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historybrat
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Apparently I’m in the minority, but I’d be very concerned if a mosque was built in my neighborhood. I try my best not to judge people by the groups they belong to, whatever they may be, but in this case its awfully hard.
Last year I was given the chance to live overseas and teach in a Muslim country. All the Muslims I had meet in the U.S. seemed like kind people and I seriously believed that the press had a complete bias against them and misrepresented them. But after spending a year in a “liberal” Muslim country I definitely have a different opinion.
While I can give many examples of the types of common behaviors I saw, a couple stick out in my mind. Slavery, or guest workers, as they now call it to please the West, is very common. As long as your “guest workers” are not Muslim according to the Koran (wish I had the Englist translation so I could copy down the hadith) and Sharia Law (at least in Bahrain, that’s what I was told, don’t claim to be an expert) you may deal with them however you want. Many of them were sexually abused, beaten, and kept from returning home.
The other big one that I remember is one of my young female students had be molested by her uncle. She was blamed for it because she had chosen not to wear the hijab. A couple of weeks after it happened her family stoned her to death. The courts issued what would be the equivelant of about a $75 fine.
I know that many people here will bring up that Christians and other groups have also or are still committing atrocities. I will not deny that. But take the time and compare Jesus’ message in the Gospels to Mohammed’s message in the Koran. I have read the English version of the Koran and its definitely not a message of love.
I also know that Muslims who frequent here will come up with verses from the Koran showing how loving it the religion can be. They will say these people I saw were a select minority, extremist and not reflective of the most Muslims. Again, I would disagree. With the exception of Saudi Arabia and Yemen, I got to visit all of the Muslim countries in the Middle East and was exposed to Muslims from all over the world. The same general patterns emerged. I was also repeatedly told that when Muslims became the majority in America things would definitely change. Quite frankly its scares me to think that America could become like that.
Individual Muslims, I don’t have a problem with. Its the religion as a whole. People may think I’m prejudice, but I do not want a mosque built in my neighborhood.
historybrat
Last year I was given the chance to live overseas and teach in a Muslim country. All the Muslims I had meet in the U.S. seemed like kind people and I seriously believed that the press had a complete bias against them and misrepresented them. But after spending a year in a “liberal” Muslim country I definitely have a different opinion.
While I can give many examples of the types of common behaviors I saw, a couple stick out in my mind. Slavery, or guest workers, as they now call it to please the West, is very common. As long as your “guest workers” are not Muslim according to the Koran (wish I had the Englist translation so I could copy down the hadith) and Sharia Law (at least in Bahrain, that’s what I was told, don’t claim to be an expert) you may deal with them however you want. Many of them were sexually abused, beaten, and kept from returning home.
The other big one that I remember is one of my young female students had be molested by her uncle. She was blamed for it because she had chosen not to wear the hijab. A couple of weeks after it happened her family stoned her to death. The courts issued what would be the equivelant of about a $75 fine.
I know that many people here will bring up that Christians and other groups have also or are still committing atrocities. I will not deny that. But take the time and compare Jesus’ message in the Gospels to Mohammed’s message in the Koran. I have read the English version of the Koran and its definitely not a message of love.
I also know that Muslims who frequent here will come up with verses from the Koran showing how loving it the religion can be. They will say these people I saw were a select minority, extremist and not reflective of the most Muslims. Again, I would disagree. With the exception of Saudi Arabia and Yemen, I got to visit all of the Muslim countries in the Middle East and was exposed to Muslims from all over the world. The same general patterns emerged. I was also repeatedly told that when Muslims became the majority in America things would definitely change. Quite frankly its scares me to think that America could become like that.
Individual Muslims, I don’t have a problem with. Its the religion as a whole. People may think I’m prejudice, but I do not want a mosque built in my neighborhood.
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ktp
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Dismissing the sources is easy. I have heard Brigitte Gabriel’s story, and would like to hear why what she says is wrong. Is she lying?Frontpage mag and World Net Daily. Now, there are too models of moderation and fairness.
Ditto for the points made in the World Net Daily article. I see many of those things happening even as we speak.
Historybrat, excellent post.
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ktp
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Dismissing the sources is easy, and not a valid ‘argument’ or proof. I have heard Brigitte Gabriel’s story, and would like to hear why what she says is wrong, rather than calling the source that tells her story names. When I heard her speak, she talked about how everyone in her part of the world knows the phrase “First comes Saturday, then comes Sunday,” how Moslems routinely say this to their Jewish and Christian classmates and co-workers. What it means is, “First we kill the Jews, then we kill the Christians.”Frontpage mag and World Net Daily. Now, there are too models of moderation and fairness.
Is Brigitte Gabriel lying? Is she mistaken? Is this not really happening? Does it not mean what she says it means? Is it just a joke? Why should something like that, especially in conjunction with terrorist acts around the world, NOT be taken seriously?
Ditto for the points made in the World Net Daily article. I see many of those things happening even as we speak.
Historybrat, excellent post.
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tamccrackine
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THANKYOU for having some realistic thought out response.
To the OP… yes, I’d be VERY concerned. This isn’t just about “some other religion” that you must endure. This is about wondering whether or not you’ll have a sleeper cell of terrorists, or an Iman that is teaching hatred right next door to you.
My DH just got back from a tour in Iraq… trust me, we’d be moving if we found a mosque going up next door to our house. We are not religiously intolerant (heck, he’s not even Catholic) but we know religious hatred when we see it and he’s seen more than enough than he cares to have to be exposed to it in his own back yard.
It’s one thing ot have religious tolerance. If you’ll notice we don’t have Catholic churches going up and then preaching hatred. As a matter of fact, our own Pope is speaking out against hatred and wanting people to have reasoning capabilities! I have YET to see Muslims openly speak out against terrorism!!! Here or abroad! Why the delay in speaking out against terrorism?
Fransican… I’m with you. It totally understand what you’re saying and you have very valid concerns. I will pray for you and your family and that mosque… hopefully nothing bad comes out of it.
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Franciscan
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Tamccrackine,
Thanks. Thanks also for the sacrifice you and your husband are making for me and my family by being military. It will not be forgotten or taken from granted by me or my family. God Bless You.
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Saoirse
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I personally would be delighted to see the religious diversity in my own neighborhood!
Where I used to live, we have a Pentacostal Church down the street, a Synagogue around the corner, and a Mosque down the street the opposite direction. If you went around the other corner, there was a small fundamentalist Baptist Church…
It was a beautiful little area during the daytime;
I was much more frightened of the drunk yahoos who would go speeding down the roads just after dark and try to force girls(such as myself) who obviously were uncomfortable being outside after dark and just wanted to get home.
If I were to be frightened of a religious group, I think I’d be more likely to worry about the Baptist Church as the minister there actually tried to tell me that if I didn’t accept what he was saying about Jesus to be true, at that very moment, that I would never be forgiven or allowed the blessings of the Holy Spirit… That community seemed much more extreme than the Islamic community full of people who would smile and nodd, and say hi to us kids who walked by to and from school.
I also think it’s unfair to assume that the particular Mosque going up in your area is going to be extremist; wait and see and you’ll most likely find that you have a lot more friendly neighbors than you had before. Neighbors, I might add, who won’t sue you for wishing them a Merry Christmas, though they may want to wish you a Happy Ramadan in return.
love,
Saoirse
Where I used to live, we have a Pentacostal Church down the street, a Synagogue around the corner, and a Mosque down the street the opposite direction. If you went around the other corner, there was a small fundamentalist Baptist Church…
It was a beautiful little area during the daytime;
I was much more frightened of the drunk yahoos who would go speeding down the roads just after dark and try to force girls(such as myself) who obviously were uncomfortable being outside after dark and just wanted to get home.
If I were to be frightened of a religious group, I think I’d be more likely to worry about the Baptist Church as the minister there actually tried to tell me that if I didn’t accept what he was saying about Jesus to be true, at that very moment, that I would never be forgiven or allowed the blessings of the Holy Spirit… That community seemed much more extreme than the Islamic community full of people who would smile and nodd, and say hi to us kids who walked by to and from school.
I also think it’s unfair to assume that the particular Mosque going up in your area is going to be extremist; wait and see and you’ll most likely find that you have a lot more friendly neighbors than you had before. Neighbors, I might add, who won’t sue you for wishing them a Merry Christmas, though they may want to wish you a Happy Ramadan in return
.love,
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Exalt
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News flash: the Christian Bible has similiar problems to the Koran.
The divinely-sanctioned slaughter at Jericho, anyone? usccb.org/nab/bible/joshua/joshua6.htm
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sing
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you hush. no comparisons can ever be made between islam and christianity because christianity, welll, catholicism, is the truth. (mod: edit)
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Freshman88
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I feel there is no problem here. We must submit to God’s perfect judgment. God is incapable of sin, He is perfect.
The difference between this story and the Koran is that this story isn’t telling us to massacre anyone, whereas the Koran has guidelines for applying persecution. No one is compelled to comit genocide because of this story because it doesn’t tell us to persecuate anyone.
Catholicism is the absolute truth. The Church teaches this. We acknowledge that Islam claims to be worshiping the God of Abraham, that does not however, mean that we know for sure what is being worshiped. Islam has shades of truth, much like other faiths, but the absolute truth is contained in the Church. I find this fact to be essential to our faith. Our love of this truth should compel us to bring everyone to Christ, regardless of their faith.you hush. no comparisons can ever be made between islam and christianity because christianity, welll, catholicism, is the truth. (mod: edit)
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OldAgeGuru
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Please then, explain the entire book of Leviticus to me.
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Freshman88
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Not too sure what you mean by this. I take it you think these laws immoral?
Well these Laws are given to the JEWISH people and the JEWISH PRIESTS. In Acts of the Apostles, at the council of Jerusalem, it is decided that we are not bound by these laws and that gentiles may enter the faith as well. Unless you are circumcised Jew, these laws are by far and large not for you. We have been released from these laws, that is what the blessed Incarnation, Crucifixion and Resurrection accomplished.
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