Thought process of non Christians who use the New Testament

[openmind77]

Of course you are right, but the miracle of Baha’u’llah will not take place in any heart if prejudice and ignorance about Him exists.

My spiritually obligated role here is to eliminate prejudice fuelled from ignorance.

The rest, is of course, in Baha’u’llah’s All-Knowing hands



p.s you’ve been saying Christ will Return in a couple of years since I joined CAF 2 years ago now. At what point do you say “ok I should seriously consider Baha’u’llah”?

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Sounds like the couple of years are up now. This must be the year!

I have considered Bahaullah and found him a little wanting (but just a little).

 

[Servant19]

Sounds like the couple of years are up now. This must be the year!

I have considered Bahaullah and found him a little wanting (but just a little).

God bless you!

It’s an exciting year ahead

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[Kaninchen]

Did Moses talk about how He would establish the unification of the human race?

You sound as if you think that would be a good thing, the end of a wonderful “you will all be absorbed into Christianity,” “you will all be absorbed into Islam,” “you will all be absorbed into Baha’ism,” sequence. To some of us it’s just a house of cards.

Meanwhile, one of the amazing things about people who use Judaism as part of their foundational paradigms is just how little they are prepared to try to understand the religion on its own terms rather than the interpretations of it through the eyes of Christian/Islamic/Baha’i interpreters. That’s OK but it does lead to ‘talking at’ one another.

Anyway, Shabbat approaches.

 

[Peter_J]

Meanwhile, one of the amazing things about people who use Judaism as part of their foundational paradigms is just how little they are prepared to try to understand the religion on its own terms rather than the interpretations of it through the eyes of Christian/Islamic/Baha’i interpreters.

Possibly

I recall one of my fellow Christians quoting King David’s statement about his dead son, “I will go to him, he will not return to me” as proof that the son was in heaven … which seemed like a stretch to me. It sounded to me like David was just saying that he someday would die, whereas his son would not come back to life.

 

[TonyBS]

Sounds like the couple of years are up now. This must be the year!

I have considered Bahaullah and found him a little wanting (but just a little).

God bless you

I like to consider that it is not “wanting” of the messenger that falls short.

I was on the Baha’i train for many years before I fell of the rails for a little while or so, when I got back on eventually all I could find is I Derailed myself.

Self does not like admitting it is wrong on so many fronts

Find an Issue the World suffers from now and the remedy has been supplied. When the remedy is considered it has to be considered is it a Worldly Fix. If we contain the remedy it may appear it is not the elixer.

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

You sound as if you think that would be a good thing, the end of a wonderful “you will all be absorbed into Christianity,” “you will all be absorbed into Islam,” “you will all be absorbed into Baha’ism,” sequence. To some of us it’s just a house of cards.

Meanwhile, one of the amazing things about people who use Judaism as part of their foundational paradigms is just how little they are prepared to try to understand the religion on its own terms rather than the interpretations of it through the eyes of Christian/Islamic/Baha’i interpreters. That’s OK but it does lead to ‘talking at’ one another.

Anyway, Shabbat approaches.

It is not an absorption in any way, it is but a Continuation.

Like grade 1 Maths is the Foundation to University Mathematics then in to Mathematics Perfection.

Yes some are satisfied with grade 1 or 2 etc maths.

But without the follow on the basic maths has no point to it, we are stuck with 1plus 1 when there is so much more.

Free will takes us to where we choose.

Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

Well I’m still waiting the answer to how many times did Jesus mention the New Testament. Tony well how many times?

Also Tony which Bible are you using. 66 book, 73 book 74 book or the 81 book Bible.?

MJ

 

[Servant19]

You sound as if you think that would be a good thing, the end of a wonderful “you will all be absorbed into Christianity,” “you will all be absorbed into Islam,” “you will all be absorbed into Baha’ism,” sequence. To some of us it’s just a house of cards.

Meanwhile, one of the amazing things about people who use Judaism as part of their foundational paradigms is just how little they are prepared to try to understand the religion on its own terms rather than the interpretations of it through the eyes of Christian/Islamic/Baha’i interpreters. That’s OK but it does lead to ‘talking at’ one another.

Anyway, Shabbat approaches.

Hope you have a blessed Shabbat dear sister
Say a prayer for me too!

May I ask what you think is a “bad” thing about unification of the human race?

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[Kaninchen]

It is not an absorption in any way, it is but a Continuation.

Like grade 1 Maths is the Foundation to University Mathematics then in to Mathematics Perfection.

Yes some are satisfied with grade 1 or 2 etc maths.

But without the follow on the basic maths has no point to it, we are stuck with 1plus 1 when there is so much more.

Free will takes us to where we choose.

The problem lies in your key assumption here, can you spot it?

 

[Kaninchen]

May I ask what you think is a “bad” thing about unification of the human race?.

Utopia/Dystopia

After the history of a couple of millennia of religions determined on converting everybody to their particular version of the truth, I think I’ll pass on the idea.

 

[Kaninchen]

Possibly

I recall one of my fellow Christians quoting King David’s statement about his dead son, “I will go to him, he will not return to me” as proof that the son was in heaven … which seemed like a stretch to me. It sounded to me like David was just saying that he someday would die, whereas his son would not come back to life.

It’s more than that sort of thing - different religions ‘work’ differently. Judaism isn’t Christianity minus Jesus and Christianity isn’t Judaism plus Jesus.

 

[openmind77]

Hope you have a blessed Shabbat dear sister
Say a prayer for me too!

May I ask what you think is a “bad” thing about unification of the human race?

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Utopia/Dystopia

After the history of a couple of millennia of religions determined on converting everybody to their particular version of the truth, I think I’ll pass on the idea.

One question Mr Servant - Bahaullah claims to be the Return of the Mahdi and Return of Jesus - but how about Moshiach?

Is Bahaullah also the Return of Moshiach or should we still expect Moshiach to return separately?

 

[TonyBS]

Is Bahaullah also the Return of Moshiach or should we still expect Moshiach to return separately?

The Revelation of the Bab and Baha’u’llah is the Fulfillment of all Old Testament Prophesy in its entirety.

It is the Revelation for which the Jews still await.

It appears they have given up looking, as has most of the world. It appears that the world now needs a shake before people will arise from the coma.

It just takes a small effort to look, actually Self is a bigger force than we give credit to.

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

The problem lies in your key assumption here, can you spot it?

No I can not spot a mistake.

I can spot you have stopped looking

That is because you said that, that is all. Consider your Soul lives in Gods Truth, it is only us that places the veils. Each to remove their own.

God bless always and Regards Tony

 

[openmind77]

The Revelation of the Bab and Baha’u’llah is the Fulfillment of all Old Testament Prophesy in its entirety.

It is the Revelation for which the Jews still await.

It appears they have given up looking, as has most of the world. It appears that the world now needs a shake before people will arise from the coma.

It just takes a small effort to look, actually Self is a bigger force than we give credit to.

Regards Tony

Why can’t you Bahai people ever answer with a simple yes or no? But I think you are trying to say: Yes, Bahaullah is the Return of Moshiach.

 

[Kaninchen]

No I can not spot a mistake.

I can spot you have stopped looking

That is because you said that, that is all. Consider your Soul lives in Gods Truth, it is only us that places the veils. Each to remove their own.

God bless always and Regards Tony

This wasn’t the response of somebody discussing religion, it was the response of an evangelist who knows he isn’t getting anywhere.

 

[TonyBS]

This wasn’t the response of somebody discussing religion, it was the response of an evangelist who knows he isn’t getting anywhere.

Yes Kaninchen it may well be, but I am no evangelist. I am but sad for the world and do know that many will have this view.

Tell me how we are discussion religion if we consider this statement “Meanwhile, one of the amazing things about people who use Judaism as part of their foundational paradigms is just how little they are prepared to try to understand the religion on its own terms.”

Is this not in reality what happens when Man takes ownership of Gods Word? Who’s Terms are we talking about here, as about how to understand the “Old Testament”.

Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

Utopia/Dystopia

After the history of a couple of millennia of religions determined on converting everybody to their particular version of the truth, I think I’ll pass on the idea.

What makes you assume that the unification of the human race necessarily means we all have to convert to s particular version of the truth??

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[Servant19]

One question Mr Servant - Bahaullah claims to be the Return of the Mahdi and Return of Jesus - but how about Moshiach?

Is Bahaullah also the Return of Moshiach or should we still expect Moshiach to return separately?

Jesus was the Messiah.
Jesus = Messiah
Baha’u’llah = Return of Jesus

Therefore Baha’u’llah is the RETURN of the Messiah, not THE Messiah (Jesus was THE Messiah)

But please remember openmind, these phrases, what do they mean? They are titles representative of a specific Mission assigned to a Manifestation of God. All Manifestations of God should be assumed to be the same Person, but throughout history they have occupied different Human bodies and were assigned different Missions and were therefore given different titles, such as Messiah, Son, Seal, Glory etc etc

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[Kaninchen]

Tell me how we are discussion religion if we consider this statement “Meanwhile, one of the amazing things about people who use Judaism as part of their foundational paradigms is just how little they are prepared to try to understand the religion on its own terms.”

Is this not in reality what happens when Man takes ownership of Gods Word? Who’s Terms are we talking about here, as about how to understand the “Old Testament”.

Ah, I get it now, only discussion of Baha’i thought constitutes discussion of religion. All is revealed.

On the other hand, people other than Baha’i may well get the impression that discussions with Baha’i involve talking about ‘invented’ versions of their own religions. So, ‘Islam’ becomes what it is that Baha’is want it to be, ‘Christianity’ what Baha’is want it to be and ‘Judaism’ what Baha’is want it to be - and would be to us if we only understood the Baha’i message.

Now, it would seem, attempting to understand them on their own terms is not talking about religion.